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re: Mississippi River pilots under fire

Posted on 5/25/21 at 4:41 pm to
Posted by LeClerc
USVI
Member since Oct 2012
2746 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 4:41 pm to
Merit based hires, not based on family connections. Everyone should have a fair shot.
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 4:49 pm
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10488 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 4:43 pm to
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One of the dumbest mother frickers I have ever met in my life does this


I don't really know how they operate out of the Port of New Orleans but they stack the big tankers/ships like cord wood off the Galveston jetties waiting their turn to come into the Houston Ship Channel. I have always wondered if the pilots actually take over the bridge and operate or if they just acted as navigators to the actual Captain piloting the ship? I would imagine either way that you actually might have to have some sort of sense to keep this job because those are some big fricking ships.
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
12814 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 4:46 pm to
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Mad because someone has it better than you? Better legislate them right out of a job!

It's the leftist's way.


We found the River pilot ladies and gentlemen.

I can even hear the roids through his typing
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37162 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 4:46 pm to
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And the OP literally talked about pushing legislation. Sounds like the typical leftist approach - dump law and government onto a problem by the truckload.

It won’t actually fix anything, but let’s wreck it for the guy who’s doing better than me.


River pilotage is a government-approved monopoly in this state. Government approved monopolies are subject to legislation.

The solution, of course, is to weaken/eliminate the monopoly. This can be done by, for example, more restrictions on profits (like is done on the utility companies) and/or allowing more people to offer their services.

It is about as un-American as you can get, to support a system that actually prevents people from upward mobility. This ain't India, baw.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37162 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 4:47 pm to
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I know two pilots, and neither have family that are pilots


Which association?
Posted by Demshoes
Up in here
Member since Aug 2015
10219 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 5:04 pm to
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They should lay low for a couple of years and stay out of the limelight.


you spelled greed wrong
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
16898 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 5:09 pm to
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Better legislate them right out of a job!


Don't they have jobs because the legislature requires their services and sets their fees?
Posted by WhiteMandingo
Member since Jan 2016
5643 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 6:04 pm to
Have you ever had control of a 400+ vessel in high river. Its easy, says the guy who cant back a boat down the ramp at the launch.
Posted by MiamiRelative
Member since May 2021
156 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 6:10 pm to
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Have you ever had control of a 400+ vessel in high river. Its easy, says the guy who cant back a boat down the ramp at the launch.


I’m sure being the son of a current river boat pilot is the only reason he can do this job.
I thing you’re missing the point of the argument.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10506 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 6:14 pm to

There was a time, before radar, and the other sophisticated navigational equipment, where these pilots were necessary. Today though, it’s nothing but a political power play.

There are captains on tow boats pushing millions of dollars worth of Oil or Jet fuel through metropolitan waterways that make a fraction of these guys and they’re accountable for their performance vs these pilots who are immune and never even take the wheel of the ships that they supposedly assist.
They get onboard, grab a coffee and take a ride. If the vessel crashes into another vessel or hits a stationary structure, it is never the “Pilot’s”
fault as they’re immune. They could get on the radio and bark out orders for other vessels and cause chaos and it still would never be their fault!

The job is no longer necessary. Technology has made them redundant. No one has balls to stand up to them. Nungesser is their bitch too.
Posted by WhiteMandingo
Member since Jan 2016
5643 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 6:30 pm to
No, having to be trained and having 5000+ hours of time on the river and a degree from Kingspoint or another maritime school and being a pilots kid. Its not given to you like a business being handed down. You earn it.
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 6:52 pm
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
7359 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 6:46 pm to
Nope
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2555 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 7:04 pm to
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Are the best pilots behind the wheel? How do you know?
You’re making an assertion. Can you prove they aren’t?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37584 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 7:08 pm to
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Because crying about one man’s career is fricking lame. Trying to pile excuses on top of it is about as pussy as it gets. A handful of people are making way more than you. BFD. Get over it.


Crying about people
Doing better in a free/ish market is as pussy as it gets. Complaining because an extremely lucrative market is not determined by merit AT ALL, but rather completely by who you are related too is not pussy.

I’d love to be a river boat pilot. However, I can’t. Not because I can’t get the certifications, but because I wasn’t born into it. How is that not bullshite?
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17282 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 7:08 pm to
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being a pilots kid


Key point
This post was edited on 5/25/21 at 7:09 pm
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37584 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 7:08 pm to
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know two pilots, and neither have family that are pilots


bullshite.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37584 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 7:10 pm to
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Are the best pilots behind the wheel? How do you know?


Absolutely. You know because their dad, dad’s dad, dad’s dad’s mom’s cousin was one. No better way to pass down learned skills than through heredity.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37584 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 7:12 pm to
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This can be done by, for example, more restrictions on profits (like is done on the utility companies)


Don’t like it

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and/or allowing more people to offer their services.


Like it a lot.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37584 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 7:15 pm to
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No, having to be trained and having 5000+ hours of time on the river and a degree from Kingspoint or another maritime school and being a pilots kid. Its not given to you like a business being handed down. You earn it.


Sure would be nice if everyone had the chance to earn it
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:05 pm to
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No, having to be trained and having 5000+ hours of time on the river and a degree from Kingspoint or another maritime school and being a pilots kid. Its not given to you like a business being handed down. You earn it.


Don’t bring that in here, everyone knows that all it takes is a GED, and a Dad and Grandpa that are river pilots, and you’re on deck making $600K
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