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re: Miracles still happen.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:11 pm to Skeet Mc
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:11 pm to Skeet Mc
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Bishop Robert Barron on God, Job and Cancer in Children
Since this pro-religion thread is being allowed to stand in contradiction to usual policy, I feel compelled to point out that Bishop Barron spews a lot of nonsense... either designed for non-thinkers or he's not much of a thinker, himself.
The Bishop's analogies of God's plan to a Lord of the Rings story or to complex mathematics are inappropriate and unconvincing because nobody in this world has ever proffered that story-tellers and mathematicians are perfect arbiters and judges of everything around them. They are merely that... story tellers and explainers, not entities responsible for the very universe that allows them to operate. We could not actually excuse Tolkien for a real life torture of a child because we can not imagine that it would ever be necessary. Our toleration for an infinite being allowing tortures upon the innocent becomes even less because we can easily imagine a world that teaches the consequences of bad or sinful choices that doesn't need such a mechanism.
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:11 pm to fishfighter
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I know that god looks at us. Seen I first hand
Pics?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:13 pm to fishfighter
I'm not a non-believer.
I just have some serious issues with the big guy which I struggle with. The more I learn the more I question
I just have some serious issues with the big guy which I struggle with. The more I learn the more I question
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:18 pm to biglego
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Spoken like someone who's never had to deal with something like this.
Wow. Your entire MO is to throw up red herrings to avoid talking about the actual statements you are making. How do you know I've never dealt with a tragic death in my life, or family? And what in the world does it have to do with being puppets? I'll answer, nothing. Just deflection.
If there's one thing I've learned on the OT, people like you have no interest in learning anything. You simply want a pulpit to spout off opinion as though it's fact. I guess it makes you feel important. Good for you. Carry on.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:20 pm to Huey Lewis
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But I guess such a person just has an incomprehensible plan that works in mysterious ways that the rest of us can't understand.
The problem goes further than even that. You have to ASSUME a plan exists in the first place in order to then proclaim it as incomprehensible to humans. It's conjecture heaped upon conjecture.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:22 pm to DByrd2
Where did this home invasion happen?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:24 pm to fr33manator
Read the Old Testament. Then you'll be asking just where all this assumption of a "loving, Heavenly Father" comes from. You'll be told it comes from the New Testament, which then means this all-powerful, eternal creator of the universe...had a personality change. He softened in his old age. Which means he'd probably disagree with some of the things he did in the Old Testament...all very curious things from an eternal omniscient deity.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:26 pm to Rex
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You have to ASSUME a plan exists in the first place in order to then proclaim it as incomprehensible to humans. It's conjecture heaped upon conjecture.
Rex, I agree with you. The basis of the Christian belief depends upon faith, or assumption if you want to call it that. Without that as the basis, it's all just folly.
But what I don't think you, and people like you understand, is that your belief is equally based on assumption (faith). You have to start out believing that out of absolute nothingness, a big bang occurred, and eventually evolved into us now. Nothingness created something.
I'm not sure which is a crazier assumption. But we both have to ASSUME....
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:28 pm to Festus
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How do you know I've never dealt with a tragic death in my life, or family?
Bc you are cavalier about it.
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And what in the world does it have to do with being puppets?
I didn't bring up puppets, idiot. I already fricking explained it to you. Choctaw brought it up. Can you not read? Did God not give you the gift of reading?
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[quote]If there's one thing I've learned on the OT, people like you have no interest in learning anything.
I'm all ears but in all your posts all you've done is take my statements out of context.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:30 pm to Festus
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But what I don't think you, and people like you understand, is that your belief is equally based on assumption (faith). You have to start out believing that out of absolute nothingness, a big bang occurred, and eventually evolved into us now. Nothingness created something.
This is true. I don't know how it all began. Neither do I believe some ancient middle eastern nomads had the answer.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:30 pm to biglego
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Bc you are cavalier about it.
What? Link.
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I didn't bring up puppets, idiot. I already fricking explained it to you. Choctaw brought it up. Can you not read? Did God not give you the gift of reading?
Got it.
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I'm all ears but in all your posts all you've done is take my statements out of context.
Ummm...
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:31 pm to Festus
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You have to start out believing that out of absolute nothingness, a big bang occurred, and eventually evolved into us now.
No, I don't. I've never believed in nothingness. I don't accept that nothingness was the default state of this and all universes. I don't accept, either, that we should rule out the possibility of eternal matter and energy but then make an exception for some "god" that suits your fancy.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:34 pm to biglego
Here... let me depict an infinite line as best I can with this keyboard:
<----- 0 ------>
Now, tell me... within that infinity why do we have to assume 0 as the default state?
<----- 0 ------>
Now, tell me... within that infinity why do we have to assume 0 as the default state?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:36 pm to Rex
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No, I don't. I've never believed in nothingness. I don't accept that nothingness was the default state of this and all universes.
Then what was that something?
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I don't accept, either, that we should rule out the possibility of eternal matter and energy but then make an exception for some "god" that suits your fancy.
So you believe there might be some "eternal matter", but rule out that "eternal matter" being a creator of man?
Hey, we're both assuming is my point.
Anyway, I'm sure this thread will get whacked, but fwiw, I appreciate those that at least discuss it without calling names and insults. It's not like any of us can be certain, until we're dead.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:36 pm to Rex
I know what you're saying. I guess it's just habit to assume all things come from somewhere. Still, the absence of an explanation doesn't mean a god did it.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:39 pm to Festus
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Anyway, I'm sure this thread will get whacked, but fwiw, I appreciate those that at least discuss it without calling names and insults.
Well if you weren't such a cockface I wouldn't have tk insult you.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:40 pm to Festus
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I'm not sure which is a crazier assumption. But we both have to ASSUME...
Well, let's discuss those assumptions.
Mine is that matter and energy are eternal and always existed. Yours is that an eternal god preceded matter and energy.
Which of those assumptions is more complicated?
Mine is superior because regarding the subject of our assumptions I CAN ACTUALLY SEE AND WITNESS MINE. It requires less imagination and self-interest than yours.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:43 pm to fr33manator
He doesn't. God's ultimate creation was never intended to suffer from sickness, pain, grief, despair, etc.. However, the creations body ,or shell , was not created to be immortal. Only the spirit. The transition would occur when God decided it would occur for everyone and free of pain and suffering as those feelings did not exist for the creation he made in their( all heavenly beings) image.
Adam and Eve were deceived by Satan. When they fell to his deception, he took dominion over the lesser creations that God had granted them. They gave him their dominion over the earth. He is the originator of all sadness, pain, grief, calamity, tragedy, war, hatred, jealousy, envy, sickness , etc. in the world we live in.
This isn't a game to God. It is a tragedy. A tragedy that he rectified with a chance for redemption for all of his cursed creation through Jesus. You might ask why God didn't just hit the reset button after they gave Satan their birthright. Why didn't he say "wait just a second, let's just call that a mulligan." The reason is God is truth and cannot lie. His truth is beyond our comprehension. He told them what would happen if they were not obedient. To change that would make him a liar....a deceiver.
Don't blame God. He is gracious and merciful enough to give you a chance at redemption. Don't blame him for being truthful. Be mad at Satan as he is the author of all that is terrible in this world. He is the deceiver. God is the truth. God can and often does intervene in our sufferings when invoked to do so through the name of Jesus. Sometimes, he does not. But it is always the right decision and only he knows why it is the right decision.
Adam and Eve were deceived by Satan. When they fell to his deception, he took dominion over the lesser creations that God had granted them. They gave him their dominion over the earth. He is the originator of all sadness, pain, grief, calamity, tragedy, war, hatred, jealousy, envy, sickness , etc. in the world we live in.
This isn't a game to God. It is a tragedy. A tragedy that he rectified with a chance for redemption for all of his cursed creation through Jesus. You might ask why God didn't just hit the reset button after they gave Satan their birthright. Why didn't he say "wait just a second, let's just call that a mulligan." The reason is God is truth and cannot lie. His truth is beyond our comprehension. He told them what would happen if they were not obedient. To change that would make him a liar....a deceiver.
Don't blame God. He is gracious and merciful enough to give you a chance at redemption. Don't blame him for being truthful. Be mad at Satan as he is the author of all that is terrible in this world. He is the deceiver. God is the truth. God can and often does intervene in our sufferings when invoked to do so through the name of Jesus. Sometimes, he does not. But it is always the right decision and only he knows why it is the right decision.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:43 pm to DByrd2
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As is the power of prayer and positivity.
Werent Dylan Roofs victims SO positive that he felt bad, and also...at a prayer circle/bible study???
Posted on 1/15/16 at 4:44 pm to Dick Leverage
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He doesn't. God's ultimate creation was never intended to suffer from sickness, pain, grief, despair, etc.. However, the creations body ,or shell , was not created to be immortal. Only the spirit. The transition would occur when God decided it would occur for everyone and free of pain and suffering as those feelings did not exist for the creation he made in their( all heavenly beings) image.
Adam and Eve were deceived by Satan. When they fell to his deception, he took dominion over the lesser creations that God had granted them. They gave him their dominion over the earth. He is the originator of all sadness, pain, grief, calamity, tragedy, war, hatred, jealousy, envy, sickness , etc. in the world we live in.
This isn't a game to God. It is a tragedy. A tragedy that he rectified with a chance for redemption for all of his cursed creation through Jesus. You might ask why God didn't just hit the reset button after they gave Satan their birthright. Why didn't he say "wait just a second, let's just call that a mulligan." The reason is God is truth and cannot lie. His truth is beyond our comprehension. He told them what would happen if they were not obedient. To change that would make him a liar....a deceiver.
Don't blame God. He is gracious and merciful enough to give you a chance at redemption. Don't blame him for being truthful. Be mad at Satan as he is the author of all that is terrible in this world. He is the deceiver. God is the truth. God can and often does intervene in our sufferings when invoked to do so through the name of Jesus. Sometimes, he does not. But it is always the right decision and only he knows why it is the right decision.
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