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re: Midland (TX) Police Officer killed by man who thought his home was being burglarized
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:57 am to SCLibertarian
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:57 am to SCLibertarian
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Amazing how the very people who find any reason to excuse police from facing legal consequences for killing someone are the very people looking for any reason to charge the man in this situation.
Unjustified shooting is unjustified. No matter who pulls the trigger. Had the cop outside the house fired his gun inside at the homeowner walking around with a flashlight Id say he should be held accountable as well.
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:00 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Unjustified shooting is unjustified. No matter who pulls the trigger.
I agree with you. My problem is that there is a double standard with cops and civilians when it comes to charge and adjudication.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:03 am to theunknownknight
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What’s stopping burglars and home invaders from just “announcing they are cops” in efforts to disarm homeowners?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:04 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Amazing how many people support firing a gun at an unidentified target.
Bunch of paranoid pussies ready to blast anything that goes bump in the night.
And yet how many people are shot by LEO (legally) who have the same exact fear?
Why is fear OK on one side and not the other?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:04 am to dgnx6
quote:The issue is portrayal and public perception.
Cops are in a lose lose. I actually hope something happens to the people bashing police and these guys actually need an officer at their home and no one shows up.
The vast majority of individuals’ interactions with police involve getting tickets or sitting through unnecessary traffic checkpoints.
On top of that, you have recent events where cops either didn’t even attempt to “protect” or wrongfully entered homes, resulting in the deaths of innocent individuals.
How can you not expect the public’s opinion of police to sour?
On top of that, any homeowner who is startled from sleep by someone shouting “police” in the middle of the night, should not take that statement as fact.
Unless this man broke a law, why would he expect the cops to barge into his home in the middle of the night and why should he trust intruders yelling “police”?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:07 am to Scruffy
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Unless this man broke a law, why would he expect the cops to barge into his home in the middle of the night and why should he trust intruders yelling “police”?
If my alarm is going off and I haven't given the monitoring company the Ok, I would expect police to be on my property.
We are missing a lot of details form this story, so just like the other thread, why not just wait for the facts to come out before we start assigning blame on anyone?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:07 am to FelicianaTigerfan
Agree.
Not enough details are known for any of us to really draw any conclusions at this point. I imagine we're all just talking in hypotheticals based on the assumption that the facts that were given are the only ones in existence. We're just having conversation here.
Not enough details are known for any of us to really draw any conclusions at this point. I imagine we're all just talking in hypotheticals based on the assumption that the facts that were given are the only ones in existence. We're just having conversation here.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:08 am to slackster
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Did they break down the door?
EXACTLY!! No body is asking the question about the door the police entered through! Was it wide open and reasonable to believe someone else made entry? Was it shut but unlocked? Or was it shut and locked!? The status of the door is what this ALL stems on!! But we don't know, we don't have the facts of exactly how police made entry!!
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:10 am to NYNolaguy1
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And yet how many people are shot by LEO (legally) who have the same exact fear?
Why is fear OK on one side and not the other?
This is my problem with all these situations. It's the mentality of it.
We've given law enforcement God status in much of our society. Although I don't agree with anything BLM or anything similar, in a way I'm kind of glad it's happening because we need some of that push back against the 'government is good' or 'government is my daddy/protector mentality'.
Our Founders were extremely distrustful of government and rightly so. We've lost our way.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:11 am to nola000
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Although I don't agree with anything BLM or anything similar, in a way I'm kind of glad it's happening
Get fricked with that attitude.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:12 am to Pesticide
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I'll withhold judgement until more facts are known.
Boom.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:13 am to nola000
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We've given law enforcement God status in much of our society.
for some things, but not others. they're given the emotional status of a bipolar 6 year old with ADHD if they shoot a suspect
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:15 am to Pesticide
Explain to me how us civilians are supposed to know if it’s really the police or not in that situation? Are we supposed to just take a persons word ?
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 9:06 am
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:15 am to Scruffy
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barge into his home
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intruders
I didn’t see any indication of that in the article.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 8:19 am
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:16 am to theunknownknight
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If he shot the cop from inside the house while they were outside, the homeowner is screwed.
As it should be. There are a lot of facts and circumstances that need to come out around this story
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:16 am to Oilfieldbiology
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There are a lot of facts and circumstances that need to come out around this story
Pretty interesting take from you given all your posts in the other thread.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:17 am to LNCHBOX
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Get fricked with that attitude
What attitude? The attitude that I'm pleased with the citizenry being skeptical of law enforcement and trying to hold them accountable?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:18 am to nola000
quote:BLM was founded on a lie and has caused lots of violence and death in this country. You said you're glad that's happening. Get fricked with that attitude.
What attitude? The attitude that I'm pleased with the citizenry being skeptical of law enforcement and trying to hold them accountable?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:18 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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I didn’t see any indication of that I’m the article.
They loudly announced their presence - do they typically do that in the front yard?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:18 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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I didn’t see any indication of that I’m the article.
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“The homeowner fired rounds toward the flashlight being held by Officer Heidelberg,
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Heidelberg, his probationary police officer and two additional officers loudly announced their presence to the homeowner, who believed his home was being broken into, according to a press release from the city.
i think both of these combined make it reasonable that they entered his home. otherwise they have flashlights outside his door banging and announcing their presence and he just unloads from inside. much less plausible (but i suppose possible)
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