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re: Mid Barataria Diversion
Posted on 11/28/24 at 3:04 pm to cbree88
Posted on 11/28/24 at 3:04 pm to cbree88
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Plaquemines will be gone in a few decades if this project isn’t done. They get what they deserve for being myopic dumbasses.
The Advocate published a front page story in 2009 that proclaimed that all land south of New Orleans would be underwater in 10 years. The hyperbolic claims have to stop.
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Posted on 11/28/24 at 4:23 pm to cbree88
quote:In one small area about 15 miles wide
It’ll stop further land loss.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 4:40 pm to Mr Breeze
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dredging solution which has been studied to the nth degree and discarded as impractical and far more expensive.
Link to studies?
Posted on 11/28/24 at 5:02 pm to choupiquesushi
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WEST plaquemines
There basically is no more East Plaquemines
Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:22 pm to chalmetteowl
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There basically is no more East Plaquemines
Mardi Gras pass area is completely different due to that sediment. Mid Breton Diversion has already begun design.
Re: mid Barataria, oyster fishermen are greedy f’ers. Politicians are more greedy. There was always a pile of money in this job as a hand out to these people. I guess it is not enough.
The GC receives about $600M if the contract is canceled. They will laugh all of the way to the bank.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:30 pm to Boston911
21 sq mi of solid land would be a huge win.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 6:38 pm to Boston911
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I sat through the presentation about this project plan about 5-6 years ago and I really thought that for 3 billon and only build 21 SqMi of land (go google search it on a map) over 50 years, this wasn’t a good value vs how much it will screw up the fishing industry
I admit to not knowing anything about the project over what I learned scanning the previous thread about it but often with restoration projects it isn't as much about what you gain as the losses you prevent if you do nothing.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:06 pm to Boston911
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just about everything down stream the diversion all the way to the Gulf will convert to freshwater from Lake Sal through Barataria Bay
Come on man. Max flow of 75000 cfs is going to covert everything downstream to freshwater?
As stated before There are so many benefits to the Barataria basin if the diversion is built
- Land building
- Improving the health of existing marsh
- Protecting existing wetlands
- Nutrient load distributed across the basin
- Improved tidal prism (more water going out island passes improves health of passes and can restore barrier islands naturally)
- Improved food chain for all wildlife including shrimp and oysters
Cons
- Shrimp and Oyster habitat is a little farther away from the present
Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:14 pm to ChatGPT of LA
quote:
Why? Because they won't waste billions on a big nothing? Quit trying to fix nature. It's 100% a losing battle. Remove previous man made shite and all will be fine, for free. Guys like you are the idiots
1. They stopped it to "save oysters and dolphins"
2. We are removing some man made structures without destroying the country's shipping industry.
This post was edited on 11/28/24 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:17 pm to Screaming Viking
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The GC receives about $600M if the contract is canceled. They will laugh all of the way to the bank.
If this is true, then build the damn thing. The opponents to the project are being paid by the contractors.
This post was edited on 11/28/24 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:24 pm to Riverside
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The Advocate published a front page story in 2009 that proclaimed that all land south of New Orleans would be underwater in 10 years. The hyperbolic claims have to stop.
You are obviously not an outdoorsman. I don't pretend to understand or know why, but the land is very obviously changing for the worse.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:27 pm to Boston911
quote:
Additionally it will effectively destroy the estuary where many of the shrimp and gamefish hatch.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:28 pm to Riverside
quote:You can think that all the climate change and sea level rise alarmists are full of shite, but still look at satellite imagery over the years and see that a lot of what used to be marsh land 15-20 years ago is now open water.
The Advocate published a front page story in 2009 that proclaimed that all land south of New Orleans would be underwater in 10 years. The hyperbolic claims have to stop.
I fished Buras a lot in middle and high school. Now I go back and its practically all open water in places that used to be marsh
Every storm washes more land away because man cut off the marshes from their natural rebuilding source of river sediment.
This post was edited on 11/28/24 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:34 pm to Boston911
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Additionally it will effectively destroy the estuary where many of the shrimp and gamefish hatch.
Perhaps go look up the definition of an “estuary” before making this claim.
Hint: it’s where “rivers meet the sea.”
Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:35 pm to KPOC
Great thread with lots of good arguments for and against. Hard to beat the "It wasn't going to cost us anything" argument.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/o-t-lounge/gov-landry-has-pulled-the-plug-on-louisianas-biggest-coastal-project-tulane-expert-says/116377991/
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/o-t-lounge/gov-landry-has-pulled-the-plug-on-louisianas-biggest-coastal-project-tulane-expert-says/116377991/
This post was edited on 11/28/24 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:36 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Where tide hits river current. Sorta the same but not really.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 7:49 pm to KPOC
I recommend all the experts go visit the LSU center for river studies and see the models in action. While good in theory, the actual land being “created” is int as much as some of you think. Especially when you see it on a map. It is a tremendous price tag for what appears to be small gains.
I would like to see a smaller diversion combined with dredging along with creating ridges to retain what is made.
Also, if we are all so pro diversion and re-creating flood plains, let’s do this from Baton Rouge down. Let’s recreate that natural meander that the river used to build southeast Louisiana.
I would like to see a smaller diversion combined with dredging along with creating ridges to retain what is made.
Also, if we are all so pro diversion and re-creating flood plains, let’s do this from Baton Rouge down. Let’s recreate that natural meander that the river used to build southeast Louisiana.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 8:04 pm to KPOC
Agreed. Landry catered to special interests. Go see Mardi Gras Pass and see the impact of Miss. River fiversion impact. Those oyster harvesters became multi milloonaires from the BP spill and never resluzrd a negstive impact. Thieves.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 8:06 pm to lakeviewtiger
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I would like to see a smaller diversion combined with dredging along with creating ridges to retain what is made
Exactly what this is. This outfall area will be prime for numerous dredging and outfall management projects. Federal grants, non-profits, and industry looking for mitigation credits will jump at the opportunity to construct some terraces and build marsh to maximize the use of the new sediment that is available.
This post was edited on 11/28/24 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 11/28/24 at 8:30 pm to lsufishnhunt
Easier and cheaper to build marsh utilizing dredge pipe from the river. Much cheaper.
Also, for the price tag, the ridges should be part of the deal, not reliant upon other entities.
Also, the new system could be made in months to a few years. Not decades.
Then refresh the marsh and control salinity by utilize the diversion or existing Siphons (which have never been used and need a specialized vehicle to turn on, ((which doesn’t run anymore))
Create the cheniers and then use the siphons and or diversion to replenish.
Also , we should all be paying close attention to the study taking place regarding Mississippi River Basin.
The white paper(s) are that are produced from that research will determine our future. Not a diversion or dredging or levee.
Coastal areas are resilient and can survive hurricanes, oil spills and more. A bureaucrat and calculator…good luck and God be with us.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Also, for the price tag, the ridges should be part of the deal, not reliant upon other entities.
Also, the new system could be made in months to a few years. Not decades.
Then refresh the marsh and control salinity by utilize the diversion or existing Siphons (which have never been used and need a specialized vehicle to turn on, ((which doesn’t run anymore))
Create the cheniers and then use the siphons and or diversion to replenish.
Also , we should all be paying close attention to the study taking place regarding Mississippi River Basin.
The white paper(s) are that are produced from that research will determine our future. Not a diversion or dredging or levee.
Coastal areas are resilient and can survive hurricanes, oil spills and more. A bureaucrat and calculator…good luck and God be with us.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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