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re: Michael Burry: The white collar employment bubble is bursting right before our eyes

Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:46 am to
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:46 am to
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Its also extremely hard to train the next generation


True. It’s much easier to train someone in person than by zoom.

There are other clear benefits to being in the office together but that ship has sailed in a lot of organizations. Valuable people have now moved all over the place.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6522 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:46 am to
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Easier to hire or fire someone like that


Oh yea? What if I just don’t answer the phone?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:48 am to
Having a FedEx guy show up to deliver a notice of termination is a thing.

They can also kill your remote access and “fix the glitch” with payroll to refer to Office Space.
Posted by WylieTiger
Member since Nov 2006
13026 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:52 am to
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Overpaid administrators are a big problem for a lot of companies, interesting to see what happens.


This is true in Healthcare. Its over-bloated.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52916 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:52 am to
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At my company, the oldest employees are the ones who take the most time off.



What does taking time off and WFH have anything to do with each other? The older employees have earned more vacation time, thus have earned more time off. The younger employees who just hire on seem to think they are entitled to as much PTO as 20 year guys. That's not reality. Yet, that is the constant gripe from millenials (yes i'm also a "millenial", born in 82).

This entitled generation expect to be paid salary, but also get paid for anything over 40 hours. That's not reality. I had a kid we hire state that if he had to work late he wanted to be compensated "fairly". Employment and your salary is your compensation. If you want to work hourly, then you will get paid HOURLY, at a much reduced rate. Someone is feeding kids a line of bullshite, and a lot of it is from the "ok, boomer" crowd. The entitlement and poor work ethic of these children out of college is mind boggling. In order to be entitled, you have to EARN IT.

Every single sector of private industry, every company, has the same gripe. We can't find anyone that will actually work. We can't find anyone worth a shite. Meanwhile, all of the experience is retiring.
Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
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Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:54 am to
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Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7845 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:57 am to
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At what point does it stop being about ambition and more about management like you wanting free labor?


You hit the nail on the head and will trigger the frick out of the mUh BuSiNeSs OwNeR who does all the hard work himself.

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Folks do have a problem with masking getting overworked and underpaid as “going over and above”.


Bingo. If you want more work from me, you need to pay me.

Does the Company go above and beyond for clients without getting compensated? I doubt it.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59083 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:57 am to
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As an employee, I have little interest in work from home. I enjoy social interaction far too much to be boxed into a home office all day.


These are always the weirdest statements to me. You and that WDE guy should work together. He needs colleagues to have friends too.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52916 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:58 am to
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Folks do have a problem with masking getting overworked and underpaid as “going over and above”.




I started working, professionally, in 2005. I was what all millenials may consider "overworked". I considered it, paying my dues. Now, i'm comfortable in my career. It took me awhile to get here.

Many don't want to pay their dues. They just want to have as little responsibility with as little work as possible, and have no one to be accountable to. THAT IS NOT REALITY in the working world. If you want that, go work for the government.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 9:01 am
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36636 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:59 am to
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True. It’s much easier to train someone in person than by zoom.


For most things, yeah. Not every job.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52916 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:00 am to
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You hit the nail on the head and will trigger the frick out of the mUh BuSiNeSs OwNeR who does all the hard work himself.



Are you a business owner?

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If you want more work from me, you need to pay me.



Then you want to be an hourly employee, and not salary. I'm assuming you are willing to take a pay cut, in exchange for overtime?

Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59083 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:00 am to
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They just want to have as little responsibility with as little work as possible, and have no one to be accountable to.


Yeah, most people are rational. This is what I want too.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52916 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:01 am to
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Yeah, most people are rational. This is what I want too.


Then you want to be a minimum wage earner. Plenty of those jobs out there.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36636 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:02 am to
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Every single sector of private industry, every company, has the same gripe. We can't find anyone that will actually work. We can't find anyone worth a shite. Meanwhile, all of the experience is retiring.


Sounds like you need to pay more.

The average college graduate makes less today than the average high school graduate 40 years ago.

Wage stagnation is a real thing.
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7845 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:03 am to
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Are you a business owner?


We are going to do this again.

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Then you want to be an hourly employee, and not salary.


Guess what my man, I am both salary and I get paid OT. I know your mind is probably blown.

I work in professional services and I make money for the firm for every single hour I bill.

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I'm assuming you are willing to take a pay cut, in exchange for overtime?


Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59083 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:03 am to
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Then you want to be a minimum wage earner. Plenty of those jobs out there.


I make quite a bit more than minimum wage.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99259 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:04 am to
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I started working, professionally, in 2005. I was what all millenials may consider "overworked". I considered it, paying my dues. Now, i'm comfortable in my career. It took me awhile to get here.


Good for you. I’ve been working since the 90s, 2000 for more serious jobs post-graduation.

I’ve had jobs where I’ve had no problem working “over and above” knowing I’d pay my dues and get a solid bump. I’m doing it right now in a career change.

That said, I definitely had other jobs where I was expected to go over and above out of sheer competency (“Hey, Belle can do it. She’ll get it done right”) without the carrot of real upward mobility. This is where a lot of workers languish. It was a good part of the reason I made a major career change in my 30s. And when I started saying no to things without real compensation, management didn’t like it.

So it’s not “reality is” a lot of the time. Add to it a lot of older workers in management positions no longer retiring at 65, it creates a logjam.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 9:06 am
Posted by Aced
Member since Jul 2013
1654 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:05 am to
God reading the boomer takes in here was insufferable. Thankfully the top accounting firms all compete with each other so any firm who tries to force everyone back in the office will quickly start bleeding talent. Godspeed to all the workers who report to some boomer who wants to make everyone as miserable as they are.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61359 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:08 am to
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This entitled generation expect to be paid salary, but also get paid for anything over 40 hours. That's not reality. I had a kid we hire state that if he had to work late he wanted to be compensated "fairly". Employment and your salary is your compensation. If you want to work hourly, then you will get paid HOURLY, at a much reduced rate. Someone is feeding kids a line of bullshite, and a lot of it is from the "ok, boomer" crowd. The entitlement and poor work ethic of these children out of college is mind boggling. In order to be entitled, you have to EARN IT.


The problem is millennials are way behind where the previous generations were at their age because of the financial crisis. When companies got back on their feet a few years after that they first hired back the laid off experienced workers and then eliminated training programs as a cost-cutting measure. Besides, there were tons of experienced folks looking for jobs, so it was easy to receive resumes with perfect experience to the job they're looking for.


Corporate America fricked themselves with short-term thinking and now there's going to be a lot of pain to get new employees that will have the experience they need to perform their jobs.


Yeah they're entitled and snobby and maybe even lazy quiet quitting types, but the way things went they were never allowed to grow up with boomers clogging up everything while eliminating all of the structures boomers used to get where they were at.


The boomers got into their jobs with no college degrees, training programs, etc., but never ever considered how the changing standards might frick the younger generations over in the long run (demanding college degrees and eliminating any formal training programs).

Our economy became a mercenary economy with the boomers extracting as much as they could out of who they could and then tossing them out afterwards with no thanks.

Boomers were the last generation with long term employment at one company and completely eliminated that possibility for those after them.

Now we see the fruits of that. People don't trust companies to be fair towards them and are demanding more upfront. Do they deserve it? Probably not, but you can see why after watching their parents they'd do that.

This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 9:10 am
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36721 posts
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:11 am to
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This entitled generation expect to be paid salary, but also get paid for anything over 40 hours. That's not reality. I had a kid we hire state that if he had to work late he wanted to be compensated "fairly". Employment and your salary is your compensation. If you want to work hourly, then you will get paid HOURLY, at a much reduced rate. Someone is feeding kids a line of bullshite, and a lot of it is from the "ok, boomer" crowd. The entitlement and poor work ethic of these children out of college is mind boggling. In order to be entitled, you have to EARN IT.



the vast majority of people change jobs several times before they are 30. They are building a resume, not a legacy with your firm. You are almost better off paying them hourly instead of a salary if you are wanting to work over 40 hours, at least they have the motivation to do it.

working over 40 as a salaried employee is working for free. frick that.

This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 9:12 am
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