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re: Men With Paid Paternity Leave
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:16 am to cas4t
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:16 am to cas4t
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it's sad that you consider this a good thing. Any company worth it's salt should have measures in place to manage these things when a supervisor has major surgery.
We are a fairly large contractor in our field but keep as few employees as possible so we don't have to constantly lay off or hire depending on the work load. Where the company I used to work at had about 10 office employees, we make due with 2, not including myself. We stay lean so we can weather the bad times with the good employees we have.
I manage the operations, so no one knows the day to day stuff like I do. The only other person that can do my job is the owner, but its easier for me to just do it than explain everything I have going on on 10-15+ different projects. I can fairly easily set up to be gone for a 2 week vacation and he can handle the small stuff that comes in while I'm out. 8 weeks is impossible and easier for me to just handle from wherever I'm at and get my technicians to attend any meetings.
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:18 am to TigerNlc
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When it comes to stock options, insurance and 401k matching it's really good
This shite isn't worth anything if you can only take 2-3 sick days for the birth of a child.
Priorities, man.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:18 am to TH03
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Are you and him interacting every day? Would you truly know how his absence would be handled by the people he reports to or who directly reports to him?
Point being, unless you're directly involved in replacing an absent employee, it wouldn't affect you.
And being able to "not miss a beat" doesn't mean it was easy to do so.
I work in healthcare risk management consulting, deal with all levels of C- suite. Unless the hospital is in a major struggle at the time, they can get by just fine with appointing someone as interim CEO. Sure, it makes things harder but it's not like patients are dying and the light bill won't be paid.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:18 am to TH03
quote:Not daily, but a couple of times per week.
Are you and him interacting every day?
quote:I wouldn't know step by step but I know enough to have an idea of who would handle specific portions of his job.
Would you truly know how his absence would be handled by the people he reports to or who directly reports to him?
quote:I'd say generally speaking, things would run smoothly. Obviously if we're closing in on some big deal, he'd be needed, but for the most part, things would still run normally.
Point being, unless you're directly involved in replacing an absent employee, it wouldn't affect you.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:19 am to 50_Tiger
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Even though its given to you, you will always be remembered as the guy who left for 8 weeks due to an honestly female related situation.
Especially if I have a son, I want some time off around his birth and first couple of weeks. For whatever reason, men have just left all of the child rearing responsibilities to the female, which is massively helping to produce this weird non-masculine generation.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:19 am to cas4t
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anyone high enough up the chain in a well established company has surrounded themselves with people who can run the operation in their absence. This is Leadership 101.
That's not possible everywhere and still be able to turn a profit.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:21 am to shawnlsu
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I manage the operations, so no one knows the day to day stuff like I do.
I'm sorry but this doesn't add up. You work for a "large contractor" but you mentioned after back surgery you had to manage a crew, but you manage the operations of the company. I've worked at several contracting companies, both small and large, and the operations manager did nothing related to field crew management. You also talk about the owner as a #2 to you. Either we have completely different ideas of what a large contractor is, or you have a very grandiose idea of what your job is.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:22 am to cas4t
quote:I scheduled 6 when I had twins, and was back to work after 3 weeks.
don't get me wrong-no way I could do 8 weeks
quote:Exactly. I think that point that senior leadership accrues and gets more time off than anyone else basically proves everyone wrong in this thread, good point.
Hell, the best employee benefit plans are afforded to senior leadership. Ya know, the important people.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:22 am to Clark W Griswold
I got 6 weeks this year. It was great. I barely worked. I would check emails maybe once a week but other than that I spendt time with my twins like I was being paid to do
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:23 am to cas4t
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Sure, it makes things harder but it's not like patients are dying and the light bill won't be paid.
No one said it would all crumble, and in fact, the post you just replied to was saying the exact same thing you just did.
No, a nurse isn't going to feel an extra work burden if the president is gone, but that doesn't mean it's a easy job for the person or people replacing him in his absence.
Being able to get something done and that process being easy or smooth don't have to be linked to each other. You can replace someone and have everything go well but it doesn't mean it was easy.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:23 am to Areddishfish
I said my CREWS and I also said large for the field. You are now changing my words to fit your argument.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:23 am to shawnlsu
Construction is undoubtedly a different animal, and I understand that. I am in a white collar position and I couldn't do 8 weeks without at least working from home.
That said, if you are having major surgery, someone should be able to step in. Period. As someone who manages people, I don't think I could sleep at night knowing my employee had to work from their hospital bed the day after back surgery. That's crazy.
That said, if you are having major surgery, someone should be able to step in. Period. As someone who manages people, I don't think I could sleep at night knowing my employee had to work from their hospital bed the day after back surgery. That's crazy.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:24 am to Clark W Griswold
When my twins were born last year I got four weeks off paid paternity leave. I stayed home for the first month and just helped wifey do baby stuff.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:24 am to shawnlsu
quote:There may be reasons for this but it's certainly not ideal or a good setup to be in this position.
I manage the operations, so no one knows the day to day stuff like I do.
Could be a small company, could be bad management, could be bad upper management not setting you up for success.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:25 am to 50_Tiger
quote:which means your company shouldn't offer that as a benefit.
In my case, we simply don't have enough people with the same skill sets, so we hire contractors to do the plebe work while we do the harder stuff.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:25 am to TH03
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No, a nurse isn't going to feel an extra work burden if the president is gone, but that doesn't mean it's a easy job for the person or people replacing him in his absence.
Being able to get something done and that process being easy or smooth don't have to be linked to each other. You can replace someone and have everything go well but it doesn't mean it was easy.
I didn't realize we were discussing how it easy it is. I did mention someone in the c suite will get the interim tag in their absence. I understand it will make their job more challenging. That doesn't mean the hospital isn't still operating seamlessly, which was the entire point.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:26 am to Jake88
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If they can go 8 weeks without you, you're a convenience, not a necessity.
If you are a replaceable convenience they aren’t going to offer 8 weeks leave in the first place. Go ask your local fry cook how much paternity leave he gets, then go ask an engineer or other professional at a major oil & gas company.
The professional is much more likely to get paid paternity leave.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:27 am to shel311
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Exactly. I think that point that senior leadership accrues and gets more time off than anyone else basically proves everyone wrong in this thread, good point.
Whatever will the hospital do when the CEO is out for weeks at a time to travel and speak on symposium panels, association meetings, industry golf outing, etc..
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:28 am to TH03
quote:If your company cant run smoothly for 8 weeks without you, your company is god damned retarded, or you are likely in some manual labor type of field where you supervise low educated employees.
Are you and him interacting every day? Would you truly know how his absence would be handled by the people he reports to or who directly reports to him?
Point being, unless you're directly involved in replacing an absent employee, it wouldn't affect you.
And being able to "not miss a beat" doesn't mean it was easy to do so.
I dont mean this in a bad way, just a fact.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:28 am to CorporateTiger
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If you are a replaceable convenience they aren’t going to offer 8 weeks leave in the first place. Go ask your local fry cook how much paternity leave he gets, then go ask an engineer or other professional at a major oil & gas company.
The professional is much more likely to get paid paternity leave.
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