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McDonald’s unreliable ice cream machines reportedly under FTC investigation

Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:11 pm
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:11 pm
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The United States Federal Trade Commission is taking McDonald’s ice cream machines constantly breaking seriously.

The FTC reached out to McDonald’s this summer in regards to the franchise’s constant problems with broken ice cream machines and the overly complicated methods implemented to get them fixed, according to the Wall Street Journal.

While many people now laugh at the well-known notion that McDonald’s ice cream machines are constantly broken, franchise owners don’t find it so funny.

The WSJ reported that McDonald’s ice cream products account for 60% of the franchise’s revenue.

The issues surrounding McDonald’s ice cream machines have been ongoing for what feels like decades. Franchise owners have been complaining to not only McDonald’s, but the actual company that makes the machines — Taylor Commercial Foodservice LLC.

"A lot of what’s been broadcasted can be attributed to the lack of knowledge about the equipment and how they operate in the restaurants," a Taylor representative told WSJ. Taylor said that when operating any machine that works with dairy products, "you have to make sure the machine is cleaned properly. The machines are built up with a lot of interconnecting parts that have to operate in a complex environment and manner," the WSJ reported.

About two years ago, a company called Kytch Inc. began offering McDonald’s franchises a device that could be mounted on the fast-food restaurant’s ice cream machines and would alert owners about a malfunction.

"The device sends out real-time text and email alerts that can prevent damage to machines," the company told WSJ.

According to Kytch, a major selling point for the device is that instructions come in clear English and not the overly complicated codes seen on the ice cream machines themselves.


An error on a Taylor ice cream machine could look something like this: "ERROR: XSndhUIF LHPR>45F 1HR LPROD too VISC," according to WSJ. Taylor rebutted and said any codes that appear on its machines can be easily found in the machine’s manual.

"There is no reason for us to purposely design our equipment to be confusing or hard to repair or hurt our operators," the Taylor representative told WSJ.

After utilizing the Kytch devices for a little over a year, McDonald’s told franchisees that the devices were not "sanctioned" and that they pose a potential "safety hazard," WSJ reported.

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To remedy that, McDonald’s is building its own device to help owners detect issues within the ice cream machines.

In response, Kytch filed a lawsuit against Taylor in May, claiming the franchise was conspiring to replicate their device.

The lawsuit alleged that Taylor had "designed flawed code that caused the machines to malfunction" to profit from machine repairs.

Additionally, it claims that Taylor had repeatedly, and under multiple aliases and e-mail addresses, tried to purchase a Kytch Solution Device in order to learn trade secrets.

Since the FTC stepped in, letters have been sent out alerting franchisees that the agency will scrutinize a plethora of products, "from phones to tractors, on whether manufacturers impede owners from fixing the products themselves. In July, the FTC said it would investigate device-repair restrictions," WSJ reported.

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FTC - stacked

Taylor Commercial Foodservice LLC - fricked?
This post was edited on 9/3/21 at 6:15 pm
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11673 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:12 pm to
This made me chuckle
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
15349 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:14 pm to
How much of it is the ice cream machines and how much of it is employees?
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
23121 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:14 pm to
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The WSJ reported that McDonald’s ice cream products account for 60% of the franchise’s revenue.



This seems not true
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4180 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:18 pm to
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This seems not true

Yeah that seemed like a weird stat. No way franchises are giving up 60% of their revenue on an ongoing basis, especially given that the machines are broken most of the time and uptime is low.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54093 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:24 pm to
I haven't gotten nearly as pissed at their machines not working since ol' baw made that video of what the inside of the machine looked like.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
23121 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:48 pm to
I mean it's an insane stat. That means people go in there more often and buy 2 ice creams than a value meal
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95569 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:51 pm to
The real investigation should be into why McD corporate insists on this one specific machine when there are so many issues with it.

Depending on the reasons for that, it may be enough grounds for a lawsuit to rewrite franchisee agreements.

I swear, no other fast food ice cream in the country has near the downtime as McD’s.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12103 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 6:54 pm to
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seems not true

I read it as 60% of Taylor’s revenue (the machine maker) comes from working with McDonald’s.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14054 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:16 pm to
OT is 100% behind this investigation.

OT has demanded answers for years, finally no more red tape, the OT will have those answers.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29452 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:25 pm to
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The lawsuit alleged that Taylor had "designed flawed code that caused the machines to malfunction" to profit from machine repairs.

This needs to be bold in OP.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25639 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:36 pm to
If you watch the YT video that basically broke the story it is more the machines than the workers. There can be a very simple mistake (or no mistake made) that results in an error code that then requires by contract the machine be serviced by a Taylor tech. There could be a cup too much mix in the machine and instead of the machine telling the workers this it displays a cryptic error code that requires them to call Taylor instead of removing some mix and restarting the machine. While the worker might cause the error they “system” won’t allow anyone at the franchise to make a simple quick and cheap fix.
Posted by jaytothen
Member since Jan 2020
6407 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:43 pm to
Sonic slush and ice cream machines are never down, even the worst locations

Sonic>McD's
Posted by Bullfrog
Institutionalized but Unevaluated
Member since Jul 2010
56254 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:44 pm to
Taylor machines are a pos but have a good process for producing creamy, non-icee product when they work correctly.

The interplay between the blades scrapping the freezing product off the cylinder walls, the resistance the gear reduction encounters in moving those blades, the temp, the drive shafts perfectly balanced, fresh Taylor lube, the amps the motor is pulling and the air to product ratio are a delicate balance.

Without a well trained associate and quarterly preventative maintenance, Taylor machines crash and burn easily and expensively.

frick Taylor and their shitty engineering.
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
29195 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 8:49 pm to
Federal resources investigating ice cream machines while across the street Hunter’s laptop sits unlooked at. Can’t say the Federal Government doesn’t have their priorities in order.
Posted by Bullfrog
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Member since Jul 2010
56254 posts
Posted on 9/3/21 at 11:22 pm to
Posted by eatpie
Kentucky
Member since Aug 2018
1136 posts
Posted on 9/4/21 at 1:20 am to
There is no scenario that McDonalds doesn't buy/bribe their way out of this.

Too big to fail...
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
10570 posts
Posted on 9/4/21 at 1:42 am to
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Federal resources investigating ice cream machines


This seems to be about the level of work they can succeed at. I rather them do this instead of attempting to "fix" anything else.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95569 posts
Posted on 9/4/21 at 1:59 am to
Depends on how much they are willing to pay.

Based on the information in the suit, Taylor has switches built into a large percentage of its machines to bypass certain required maintenance and procedures such as pasteurization.

If VW got buttfricked for scamming the diesel emissions tests, Taylor could be in serious trouble for having institutionalized a dodging of food safety requirements.


Having an automatic slash in the health code rating of every McD restaurant with one of those machines could get interesting, especially if it potentially leads to lawsuits over health concerns linked to bad ice cream.
Posted by Vlatket
Member since Oct 2016
7475 posts
Posted on 9/4/21 at 2:14 am to
McDonald's has a lifetime partnership with the manufacturer of those machines and forces franchisees to buy from said manufacturer. These machines are intentionally flawed to keep the maintenance funds going. Other fast food companies use the very same models without any problems. But since there is no deal in place with the other fast food chains the ice cream machine company has to do it honest in fear of the customer going somewhere else.
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