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re: May 4th Severe Weather Threat Thread (Flash Flood Emergency - Birmingham & Hoover, Ala.)

Posted on 5/4/21 at 4:33 pm to
Posted by Thracken13
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 4:33 pm to
just proves - no matter how much you think you know, Mother Nature will give you the middle finger and show you something
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 4:35 pm to
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just proves - no matter how much you think you know, Mother Nature will give you the middle finger and show you something


Twitter has a bad habit of never looking for failure modes. They get tunnel vision on a couple parameters and miss the bigger picture. The opposite is also true. Many of them lack any nuance and just get carried away.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 4:39 pm to
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We talking CAPE?


Why not when there's an obvious lifting mechanism?

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Two days running low CAPE saw storms go wild and High CAPE fizzled. I love it when some on WXTwitter post monster CAPE soundings or models only to see it do nothing. Mississippi said the other day, "We don't need no stinkin' CAPE!"


Just thinking on all the open warm sector busts over the years...
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 4:43 pm to
The line does not seem as bad as it moves through west Alabama, particularly the northern part of the line.
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 4:46 pm to
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The line does not seem as bad as it moves through west Alabama, particularly the northern part of the line.


All the rain ------> stable air. Go back to that WPC image I posted on that last page, basically north of the W to E boundary will be instability limited.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 4:48 pm to
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All the rain ------> stable air. Go back to that WPC image I posted on that last page, basically north of the W to E boundary will be instability limited

Yeah, and the earlier storms really worked the atmosphere from Birmingham north. Where I’m at north of Birmingham, my temp and dew point dropped into the lower 60s after those storms. It came back up during the lull, but the atmosphere clearly didn’t recover enough.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:03 pm to
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Yeah, and the earlier storms really worked the atmosphere from Birmingham north. Where I’m at north of Birmingham, my temp and dew point dropped into the lower 60s after those storms. It came back up during the lull, but the atmosphere clearly didn’t recover enough.


It doesn't look like it can. The high energy air is getting lifted over y'all vs being able to advect in at the surface and reload quickly.

In weather oddities news, I'm watching a flurry and it's 50 degrees outside. I've seen wet bulbing, but this is a little ridiculous. It's evaporating basically on contact with the surface with this 40something% RH.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:08 pm to
Southern half of the line has its act together.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:12 pm to
Sounds like the NWS in Birmingham is on the verge of issuing a flash flood emergency for the Birmingham metro area.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:18 pm to
NWS Birmingham has issued a PDS Flash Flood Emergency for the Birmingham metro.

This post was edited on 5/4/21 at 5:21 pm
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:23 pm to
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@NWSBirmingham
This Flash Flood Warning has been upgraded to Considerable! This is a LIFE-THREATENING SITUATION!! Please DO NOT drive into flood waters! #alwx
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:29 pm to
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Yeah, and the earlier storms really worked the atmosphere from Birmingham north. Where I’m at north of Birmingham, my temp and dew point dropped into the lower 60s after those storms. It came back up during the lull, but the atmosphere clearly didn’t recover enough.

Last night was the first evening/night we've had in North AL where it felt like storms. This morning, after the first round, it was entirely different. It became evident with the wording from NWSHuntsville and them dropping the Tornado watch way early.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:30 pm to
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Southern half of the line has its act together.



More lightning than I expected farther North. It just ran me back in the house off the porch.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:30 pm to
And looks like we have a wake low on the backside of the line. Winds really picking up behind the line in Tuscaloosa.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:32 pm to
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42623 posts
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:32 pm to


Edit: knew I wouldn’t beat Bobby to it.
This post was edited on 5/4/21 at 5:33 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54369 posts
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:33 pm to
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In weather oddities news, I'm watching a flurry and it's 50 degrees outside. I've seen wet bulbing, but this is a little ridiculous. It's evaporating basically on contact with the surface with this 40something% RH.

Mark Studduth showed their live cam in CO on his video yesterday, and it had some pretty good snow on the ground.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42623 posts
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:33 pm to
Confirmed tornado in Perry County, AL, moving into Chilton County.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:34 pm to
Observed now
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35629 posts
Posted on 5/4/21 at 5:34 pm to
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More lightning than I expected farther North. It just ran me back in the house off the porch.




Still getting convection, just elevated.

I miss thunderstorms.
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