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re: Mass shooting reported in Texas; multiple deaths reported
Posted on 11/6/17 at 3:15 pm to martiallaw
Posted on 11/6/17 at 3:15 pm to martiallaw
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Tec Submachine semiautomatic pistol
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Posted on 11/6/17 at 3:17 pm to Carson123987
He is the reason people with that point of view get laughed at, he has no clue what he’s even arguing about
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 11/6/17 at 3:25 pm to Carson123987
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Tec Submachine semiautomatic pistol
Where can I get one of those?
Posted on 11/6/17 at 3:26 pm to martiallaw
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martiallaw
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Posted on 11/6/17 at 3:42 pm to terd ferguson
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Here come the gun experts and their clips
Hook, line, and...
You guys are just too easy.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 3:51 pm to SUB
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Hook, line, and...
3000 round clip submachine gun semiautomatic bazooka?
Posted on 11/6/17 at 5:06 pm to Gris Gris
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LINK
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The cover photo on Mr. Kelley’s Facebook page appears to show a Ruger 8515 rifle, equipped with additional aftermarket products, including a red-dot aiming sight for faster target acquisition and perhaps a two-stage trigger for greater accuracy.
they list the part number, not the model, and they just randomly guess that "perhaps" he had a 2-stage
Posted on 11/6/17 at 5:53 pm to Carson123987
Sheesh, from WaPo
"The Air Force says it failed to follow policies for alerting federal law enforcement about Devin P. Kelley’s violent past, enabling the former service member, who killed at least 26 churchgoers Sunday in Sutherland Springs, Tex., to obtain firearms before the shooting rampage.
Kelley should have been barred from purchasing firearms and body armor because of his domestic violence conviction in 2014 while serving at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. Kelley was sentenced to a year in prison and kicked out of the military with a bad conduct discharge following two counts of domestic abuse against his wife and a child, according to Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek.
“Initial information indicates that Kelley’s domestic violence offense was not entered into the National Criminal Information Center database,” Stefanek said in a statement released Monday. Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson and Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein have directed an investigation of Kelley’s case and “relevant policies and procedures,” she said."
"The Air Force says it failed to follow policies for alerting federal law enforcement about Devin P. Kelley’s violent past, enabling the former service member, who killed at least 26 churchgoers Sunday in Sutherland Springs, Tex., to obtain firearms before the shooting rampage.
Kelley should have been barred from purchasing firearms and body armor because of his domestic violence conviction in 2014 while serving at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. Kelley was sentenced to a year in prison and kicked out of the military with a bad conduct discharge following two counts of domestic abuse against his wife and a child, according to Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek.
“Initial information indicates that Kelley’s domestic violence offense was not entered into the National Criminal Information Center database,” Stefanek said in a statement released Monday. Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson and Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein have directed an investigation of Kelley’s case and “relevant policies and procedures,” she said."
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:29 pm to Pettifogger
quote:more laws would fix this
“Initial information indicates that Kelley’s domestic violence offense was not entered into the National Criminal Information Center database,” Stefanek said in a statement released Monday. Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson and Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein have directed an investigation of Kelley’s case and “relevant policies and procedures,” she said."
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:34 pm to terd ferguson
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3000 round clip submachine gun semiautomatic bazooka?
That's a whole lot of tax stamps.
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:57 pm to Cowboyfan89
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No, he couldn't buy a gun because he was DD'd from the military.
"Oh, didn't know that. A simple background check could have caught that."
He lied on the background check
So, you’re saying the best we can do is a glorified version of the honor system? Forgive me if I think it’s unacceptable that someone can get around it by simply checking the wrong box and/or giving an out of state address.
You have to be fingerprinted and they run a multi-system check on you to be a teacher. Everyone seems to be cool with that. I am not saying that’s the answer, but why am I a cock-sucking, mother-fricking, scum-sucking liberal hippy piece of dog shite for merely suggesting we discuss it?
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:04 pm to Hot Carl
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So, you’re saying the best we can do is a glorified version of the honor system? Forgive me if I think it’s unacceptable that someone can get around it by simply checking the wrong box and/or giving an out of state address.
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The Air Force says it failed to follow policies for alerting federal law enforcement about Devin P. Kelley’s violent past, enabling the former service member, who killed at least 26 churchgoers Sunday in Sutherland Springs, Tex., to obtain firearms before the shooting rampage.
If the Air Force would have reported the discharge properly, the background check would have caught it, and he would not have been able to purchase.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:08 pm to 3deadtrolls
The bosses at academy sporting goods breathed a huge sigh of relief when that news came out
Can’t imagine the fallout if it was determined the gun counter at that San Antonio area Academy didn’t do the background check on this madman
Can’t imagine the fallout if it was determined the gun counter at that San Antonio area Academy didn’t do the background check on this madman
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:10 pm to Hot Carl
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but why am I a cock-sucking, mother-fricking, scum-sucking liberal hippy piece of dog shite for merely suggesting we discuss it?
dude, nobody thinks you are a hippy.
and it's not the honor system. somebody in the Air Force dropped the ball big time.
USAF needs a process change with some sort of check to make sure this type of data gets entered into NCIS. We don't need more laws.
Making something illegal isn't going to stop someone intent on committing murder. You see, murder is already illegal.
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:13 pm to supatigah
Dumb question but if he cracks his kids skull, it doesn't get reported as a "regular" felony? Was it because it happened on the base? Does he serve a year in some kinda military prison?
Seems weird that if the AF doesn't report it, he's clear.
Seems weird that if the AF doesn't report it, he's clear.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:22 pm to Hot Carl
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So, you’re saying the best we can do is a glorified version of the honor system? Forgive me if I think it’s unacceptable that someone can get around it by simply checking the wrong box and/or giving an out of state address.
I don't know why you're a scum sucking liberal idiot, but I know why you're a dumbass...where did I say anything about an "honor system" being acceptable?
If the information behind the "honor system" is what it is supposed to be, then it should be good enough. Fingerprinting every person that wants to buy a gun is unrealistic, and will bog down law enforcement agencies, unless the stores are going to take the fingerprints themselves. The system needs to be fixed, but it's the information behind the check boxes and addresses that needs to be fixed. Hell, I even posted about the very thing:
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Oh, no doubt. And I don't know what that problem is, but it needs to be fixed.
I'd like to know how he beat it. Checking a box doesn't do it alone, that's why they make the call. Anyone that thinks that alone allows you to walk out of a store has never been through a background check. I've only done it once when buying a shotgun, but I had to wait for them to call and make sure I had no record.
But I read that he used a Colorado address. Maybe that had something to do with how he beat the system. I'm really not that familiar with what information they use and how it's in the system. I could have sworn the address you give had to match what is on your Driver's License though. At least, that's what I was told when I bought my shotgun.
Oh, sorry, you said hippy, not idiot. My bad.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:28 pm to CQQ
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Does he serve a year in some kinda military prison?
the verbiage I kept hearing was he was confined for 12 months.
that could mean he was in the joint or simply confined to base for a year. I really don't know.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:36 pm to Pettifogger
Lawyers just creamed in their pants and are lining up! Air Force about to pay up big time.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:55 pm to Rebel
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dude, nobody thinks you are a hippy
bastard
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somebody in the Air Force dropped the ball big time
That’s what I gathered. Are there consequences for dropping it? Are they severe enough to potentially deter it?
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Making something illegal isn't going to stop someone intent on committing murder.
Of course not. I am simply wondering aloud if there aren’t things we can do to mitigate the sheer number.
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You see, murder is already illegal.
So we shouldn’t have even bothered making it so? Why have any laws then?
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