re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion

For those that have been following this thread closely - A little good news where there initially looked to be no hope. From the "aftermath pulse checking footage" vid linked around pg180-190

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I feel like he had zero qualifications at all.. in fact I’m honestly questioning his motives since he felt compelled to film it all... how can you possibly offer medical assistance with one arm...

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At the beginning of the video, it just seemed like a drunk guy with a camera videoing this horrible aftermath.

When he was trying to get the lights back on - calling for EMTs and making a true effort - you could hear it in his voice. That's when my tune changed. I don't know what I would do in that situation. I'm sure his adrenaline was rolling and he wanted to do something to help.

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One of the victims featured (female with a head wound still breathing) I'm 95% sure is this recent TCU grad. (link is to TCU message board thread)

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Elle and a friend were near the front of the stage when the terror began. Sadly, Elle was badly injured in this horrific event. She sustained a gunshot injury to the back of her head. Thankfully, an Emergency Medical Technician (EMT) was nearby. Elle was rushed to a nearby hospital, where she had surgery early Monday morning. After a very difficult yet successful surgery yesterday, Elle remains sedated and is recovering. The next 72 hours are a crucial period.

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Her gofundme has exceeded its goal 3x over now - but it's worth going to the page linked via the link above just to check out the updates.

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Great news. It didn't look like anyone from that video would make it, amazing what modern medicine can do.

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I mean I don't know how you could tell by looking if someone from that video would make it or not. The girl is in critical condition, as would be expected from a shot to the head that didn't kill.

The real story is the guy recording was able to aware others that these folks were not deceased, like the cop thought.

He had adjoining rooms and the arsenal setup near each window ready to go. In the taxi cab video, you can hear the longer pauses and then a change in the volume and echo. That was him going between rooms.

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Security guard's name was Jesus Campo.

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Nobody fricks with tha Jesus

So there no possible way in any shape or form that there could have been more than one shooter?

There's certainly no evidence to suggest that there was an additional gunman.

TL;DR - One guy could do this with an AR-15. He was a wacko leftist with dreams of gun control (more likely) or a radicalized Muslim (less likely).

There is a lot of misinformation out there and a lot of bad assumptions I think.

As far as a AR-15 not making it to the crowd accurately , that's just stupid.

Here is the ballistics chart for the round he was most likely shooting.


You get about 33 inches of bullet drop at those distances. Not really a big deal for a marksman. In addition you are shooting at a "target" probably 50 yards wide so 33 inches of drop when you are 32 floors in the air isn't even a factor.

The Las Vegas sheriff said it would take an extreme effort to get all that hardware to that room. Personally I think that's a ridiculous statement.

He had 23 rifles in the room. A stripped down AR-15 weighs about 8 pounds. With all the optics and other stuff lets say they weighed 12.

That gives us a total of 276 pounds of rifles. Keep in mind that they have 2 pins that you can pull to take them apart in the middle. So they will fit in a standard large rolling suitcase.

Speaking of rolling suitcases, I have one that will easily carry 80 pounds no problem. So a total of 4 trips to the car with a rolling suitcase would get all the rifles to the room.

But what about the Ammo? Well the shipping weight on 1000 rounds of XM193 (5.56MM 55 grain NATO rounds)is about 30 pounds. If he had 2000 rounds up there that's an additional 60 pounds.

So effectively 6-7 trips with a large rolling suitcase would be sufficient to get everything up there to the hotel room. Not really a Herculean effort in my mind.

Last night Fox announced that he was trying to blow up a fuel holding tank nearby. Apparently he had parked his car in what he believed to be close proximity and it was loaded with Tannerite. He would have only been able to hit this with a 7.62/.308 rifle or larger due to the range and velocities needed to set off the Tannerite and light off the fuel tanks.

This would have been why the window on the side away from the crowd would be busted out and why the "Taxi driver" video showed two distinctly different reports /sounds. This has been attributed to two different shooters. Most likely, the first set of rounds recorded were him trying to hit his car with the .308 and set off an explosion. When this didn't work he abandoned this and moved to his second firing position which gave him access to the crowd. This is all speculation but makes sense. If conflicting information comes up I won't be surprised.

I think this could easily be done by one man. Here is my belief on what will come out about that one man in the end. I think the shooter is a hard corps left wing wacko and this was politically motivated. I think he was probably a "true believer" and wanted to do two things. 1. Get back at all the country music loving conservatives that voted our president into office. 2. Create an argument for gun control that was so strong no one could deny it. I think that's the reason for so many guns strewn about the place. It is also possible on one of his trips to the Philippines that he was radicalized and came back to do this specifically.

One other thing, in the hotel room photo of him he was significantly thinner than every other picture of him. It's also possible he was sick/terminally ill. That's pure speculation based off of nothing but it's a possibility.

This morning Walton and Johnson were quoting a former Ranger about how hard and how much effort it took to run a machine gun in combat. The ranger also stated how it would have been hard for him to do it. Honestly, this guy did a few mag dumps with a pretty good break between each. Also, he wasn't in combat. He was just doing mag dumps. Not really impossible for a 60+ year old guy. If you don't believe me just look at youtube.

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misinformation

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A stripped down AR-15 weighs about 8 pounds.

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e would have only been able to hit this with a 7.62/.308 rifle or larger due to the range and velocities needed to set off the Tannerite and light off the fuel tanks.

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pure speculation

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bad assumptions

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Just catching up here this morning.

I assume we still no nothing about motive?