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Mask effectiveness - which would you choose looking back?
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:01 pm
Mississippi (No mask requirement)
Cases: 295,000 = 9.9% of population
Deaths: 6,724 = 0.2% of population
GDP: -9% Q2; -1% Q3
Louisiana (Mask requirement by Sloth)
Cases: 431,000 = 9.3% of population
Deaths: 9,647 = 0.2% of population
GDP: -12% Q2; -5% Q3
Texas (Mask requirement)
Cases: 2.66M = 9.2% of population
Deaths: 44,108 = 0.2% of population
California (for shits and giggles)
Cases: 3.57M = 9.0% of population
Deaths: 52,521 = 0.1% of population
GDP: -7.3% Q2; -1% Q3
New York (more shits and giggles)
Cases: 1.65M = 8.4%
Deaths: 47,280 = 0.2% of population
GDP: -11% Q2; -4% Q3
Let's say Mississippi's cases would have been 1% lower with a mask requirement and that holds true for the rest of the USA.
Without a national mask requirement, there would have been 3.31M more cases in the US with 75,445 more deaths. This is assuming prior Covid deaths were reported accurately, that all all the incremental Covid cases would be new, and that those people would have all not died had they not contracted Covid.
So if you had to play Supreme Ruler of the USA, would you have gone with no mask mandate and risked 75k more deaths, or went with the mask mandate?
And then there's the economic impact of the shutdown...
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:04 pm to BurningHeart
If I could go back in time I wouldn't click on this thread.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:04 pm to BurningHeart
quote:
This is assuming...that those people would have all not died had they not contracted Covid.
We know this isn’t correct. Despite what politicians say.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:05 pm to BurningHeart
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So if you had to play Supreme Ruler of the USA, would you have gone with no mask mandate and risked 75k more deaths, or went with the mask mandate?
No mandate, easily. No doubt whatsoever.
That was also my opinion last April. Mask mandates never made any sense beyond being able to tell women on social media that we were “doing something”
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:05 pm to BurningHeart
I would have opened everything April 1st. No requirements or restrictions.
Sorry its not the governments job to protect you from getting a cough and controlling who gets to make a living.
Establish a set of guidelines
Make recommendations
Assist with vaccine development
Provide resources (vents, access to meds, military personnel assisting with nursing beds)
Thats what the government should have done
Not this fricked up shite they are doing now
Sorry its not the governments job to protect you from getting a cough and controlling who gets to make a living.
Establish a set of guidelines
Make recommendations
Assist with vaccine development
Provide resources (vents, access to meds, military personnel assisting with nursing beds)
Thats what the government should have done
Not this fricked up shite they are doing now
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:06 pm to BurningHeart
Nothing about this data means masks were effective.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:08 pm to BurningHeart
Let's say all states had the same population density per Sq. Mile and then do the math.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:08 pm to BurningHeart
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:09 pm to DeltaTigerDelta
The fact that every state has 0.2% deaths is strong evidence that masks didn’t do anything. It spread around evenly. The hardest number to fudge is deaths, even with all of the sketchy stuff they did.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:12 pm to BurningHeart
Do you wear a seatbelt?
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:15 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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The fact that every state has 0.2% deaths is strong evidence that masks didn’t do anything.
That was my thought as well.
The fact that OP foolishly tried to argue that masks were effective when the death rate across the board in nearly all his examples was 0.2% is pretty hilarious.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:17 pm to BurningHeart
Deaths were overcounted due to the ridiculous way they were counted. Setting that aside, the big lesson after a year is just how little the so called government mandated mitigation measures accomplished. Masks, shutdowns, school closures, etc. did not make a difference. The virus pretty much progressed the same no matter what measures were in place. At this point the self inflicted harm exceeds that caused by the virus. Oh yeah, and a lot of these very old, very sick people would still be dead even if Covid had never showed up.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:17 pm to Cowboyfan89
I’m not sure what the point was but all those states look like they ultimately paid the same price no matter what they did
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:20 pm to BurningHeart
I don’t really care
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:23 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Right
I think when it’s all said and done, the numbers are gonna look pretty close across the board with concentrated populations of underlying conditions being responsible for any outliers
That being said, I understand the thought process behind the mask mandates and I’ve worn one myself when out in public.
I don’t fault anybody for trying a mitigation measure that’s essentially harmless. It’s the arbitrary shutdowns that crushed certain businesses that was always a bad idea.
I think when it’s all said and done, the numbers are gonna look pretty close across the board with concentrated populations of underlying conditions being responsible for any outliers
That being said, I understand the thought process behind the mask mandates and I’ve worn one myself when out in public.
I don’t fault anybody for trying a mitigation measure that’s essentially harmless. It’s the arbitrary shutdowns that crushed certain businesses that was always a bad idea.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:24 pm to BurningHeart
quote:
Mask effectiveness - which would you choose looking back?
I would wear one most places, as I wore them in patient rooms pretty frequently and never got sick. I don’t think any of my coworkers that masked up in active Covid rooms actually got sick from the patients. I didn’t wear one while visiting a close relative who I thought had previously had the virus who, as it turns out, actually had it when I visited.
ETA: I got sick after that visit.
But I would never ask the force of law be used to have another wear a mask for my “protection.”
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:25 pm to SlidellCajun
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Do you wear a seatbelt?
Same old playbook huh?
I wear a seatbelt because it's been proven scientifically to make me safer in some instances while driving.
Masks have not been scientifically proven to make me safer from airborne viruses including covid19.
I DO NOT wear a seatbelt because some politician says I should.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:26 pm to dbeck
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:27 pm to Cowboyfan89
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quote:
The fact that every state has 0.2% deaths is strong evidence that masks didn’t do anything.
That was my thought as well.
The fact that OP foolishly tried to argue that masks were effective when the death rate across the board in nearly all his examples was 0.2% is pretty hilarious.
I'm against masks. Try again.
ETA: The fact that you cant determine that based on my wording means you didnt read or cant comprehend, cowboyfan
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:28 pm to BurningHeart
I don't care either way, but you cant look at the bottom line numbers and draw a conclusion.
Too many other variables could skew those numbers dramatically, like the pop. density, obesity rate, healthcare infrastructure, etc. of each state.
Too many other variables could skew those numbers dramatically, like the pop. density, obesity rate, healthcare infrastructure, etc. of each state.
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