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re: Marksville City Marshals......Breaking two officers charged with murder
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:07 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:07 pm to SabiDojo
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So if a guy goes on a murder spree and takes a person hostage, escapes in a vehicle, and tries to run over an officer, the police can fire into the vehicle killing both the hostage and the murderer because the only person responsible for the hostage's safety is the murderer?
The difference here is they probably didn't know the 6 year old was there.
IMO the blame for the child's death lies with the person who put him in harms way.
But you can possibly fault the police officers for two things (assuming they didn't know an innocent was in the vehicle):
1. Firing indiscriminately into a vehicle without knowing whether any innocents were there
2. Reacting with deadly force when it was not warranted. That part is impossible to determine without more evidence. However, based on my perception of the way cops are being trained to determine whether deadly force is warranted, I don't want to give them the benefit of the doubt anymore on that.
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:07 pm to LNCHBOX
What's the difference? Knowledge? I am not a police officer, but if I'm in a situation where I have a dangerous criminal in a house, apartment, business, or vehicle, I'm operating under the assumption that other people MIGHT be present.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:07 pm to LNCHBOX
So he was cornered on a dead end street by the marshals car and put it into reverse to try and escape
I'm still not gonna jump to any conclusions about what should have happened
I'm still not gonna jump to any conclusions about what should have happened
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:09 pm to bayourougebengal
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In the scenario you made up, the officers know there is an innocent hostage in the car. Not at all comparable to what happened last night.
Wrong. I never said in my hypothetical the officers knew he had taken a hostage.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:10 pm to LNCHBOX
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No it doesn't. That's why you think there are only two possibilities.
You keep repeating this stupidity of yours. But yet you've still not given any other possibilities to either they didn't know the child was there and shot them on accident or they knew the child was there shot anyway. So go on, tell us all about these other possibilities.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:10 pm to Croacka
I've seen enough videos of cops firing into vehicles to be convinced that the current reigning paradigm in policing is that if someone threatens them in any way with a vehicle, they are going to kill that person. Even when video evidence does not lead one to believe they needed to shoot to save their lives.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:10 pm to SabiDojo
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What's the difference? Knowledge? I am not a police officer, but if I'm in a situation where I have a dangerous criminal in a house, apartment, business, or vehicle, I'm operating under the assumption that other people MIGHT be present.
Do you think it is reasonable for police to have to be 100% there are no other people in a vehicle that is actively trying to evade them and ramming them?
That seems unreasonable to me.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:11 pm to Darth_Vader
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You keep repeating this stupidity of yours.
You've decided they shot wildly. There is no changing your mind. So I'm not wasting my time.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:11 pm to LNCHBOX
If there was a dog in the car, this thread might have made 20 pages
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If the cops were outside the car and he was coming after them, I can see shooting. If not, I don't see a threat.
The talk here locally is that they cornered him and got out to approach before he came at them.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:13 pm to LNCHBOX
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What I'm getting out of that is you'd rather have officers die on the off chance there happens to be a child in any pursuit
I would think most adults would risk their lives to save a child. So yes I place more value on the child's life than the officers
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:14 pm to tinymite
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Yes I most certainly would prefer to see the officers die than a child.
And if there is no child and the officers got killed having to check for a possible innocent in the vehicle?
You'd rather they die just for the 1 in 1000 (at least) chance there might be an innocent?
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:14 pm to LNCHBOX
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What I'm getting out of that is you'd rather have officers die on the off chance there happens to be a child in any pursuit.
Or any other innocent person. It kind of comes with the badge.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:14 pm to bayourougebengal
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The talk here locally
AP gossip
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:14 pm to LNCHBOX
You know you have been wasting your time on this whole thread
I'm sure it's entertained you for the afternoon though
I'm sure it's entertained you for the afternoon though
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:16 pm to LNCHBOX
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And if there is no child and the officers got killed having to check for a possible innocent in the vehicle?
Cornered a vehicle, approached vehicle, he tries to run them over.
Obviously the officers were able to sidestep the vehicle. What was the threat level then? Think about it.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:16 pm to Croacka
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You know you have been wasting your time on this whole thread
I'm sure it's entertained you for the afternoon though
I'm just kind of fascinated by the cops can never do anything right crowd. You have people in this thread that would prefer cops die checking for the incredibly unlikely innocent person in a car involved in a pursuit. That's taking cop hate a bit far.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:18 pm to Marciano1
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AP gossip
You're right but it's also a highly believable story.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:18 pm to LNCHBOX
I would hate for anyone on the OT to ever serve on a jury for something I'm accused of
They are the quickest to convict
They are the quickest to convict
Posted on 11/4/15 at 3:18 pm to LNCHBOX
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You've decided they shot wildly. There is no changing your mind. So I'm not wasting my time.
Well if they didn't shoot wildly, the only other possibility is they shot deliberately. So are you saying they meant to shoot the child?
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