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re: Man robs bank, arrested, then robs another bank right after being freed because of new law

Posted on 1/13/20 at 7:57 am to
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 7:57 am to
I wonder if a bank employee would have tackled him if the employee would be charged with assault?
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 7:58 am to
you have a vested interest in restorative justice, no?
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 7:59 am to
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You can tell the same kind of stories here about people who make bail. Articles like this are propaganda pieces, just like the articles that ran in Louisiana anytime someone was rearrested after being released on parole after the law changed a few years ago. Funny that you haven’t seen any articles about that lately...

There does seem to be a trend towards criminal justice reform for things like theft. We've decided that it's inhumane to lock people up for smoking a plant (which I agree with), but in trying to correct past wrongs, we are letting actual crimes with real victims go largely unpunished.
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 8:01 am to
DeBlaiso’s NYC
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
124971 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 8:02 am to
Reducing theft punishment is absolutely undermining civil society. Property crime in Houston is out of control. Criminals know they won’t see real jail time and cops are too busy to give a shite.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 8:07 am to
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Reducing theft punishment is absolutely undermining civil society. Property crime in Houston is out of control. Criminals know they won’t see real jail time and cops are too busy to give a shite.

It's happening everywhere.
Posted by Bedhog
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 8:12 am to
Richard Pryor up to shenanigans
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 8:15 am to
That’s New York leading the way, Right Bloomberg? Mr Billionaire with armed security.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 8:17 am to
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Keep voting Democrat!!
It's actually a bigger issue than that and all political affiliations are to blame.

It's a "there oughta be a law" problem. We The People have over legislated and over regulated ourselves.

We've criminalized roughly 1/3 of our population and there's nowhere left to put them. NIMBY and the tax support and the staffing of prison situations prevent construction of ever more prisons. Plus it's like they found with highway/road construction: bigger and better doesn't solve the congestion, it multiplies it. So if we build more prisons we simply keep filling them . How many spoonfuls of water from Old Man River before you realize you cannot spoon it dry?

1/3 of the population is either in jail, out of jail, or awaiting jail. To keep imprisoning we need jailers so we now need another 1/3 to work the prisons. Leaves only 1/3 left to live free and run the nation politically, socially, economically. Means 1/3 of the nation supports 2/3 (actually less than 1/3 since politics and society are supported too).

Solutions are difficult. Like the perp in the OP, it's tough determining on paper (absolute guidelines) who should roam free and who gets the cells. And ALL the arrested get that permanent black mark to ruin their lifetime so they stay in the lifestyle as a result. Fewer criminals is the only answer but the kneejerk reaction is stuff we're seeing today like under $1k theft write a report and eat the loss, all non-violent out on bail, etc..
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
37016 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 8:28 am to
Why didn't you quote the new law?
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 8:33 am to
I thought bank robbery was a federal crime?
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
26233 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 8:38 am to
One way to stay out of jail is to obey the law.

One way to cure the racial disparity in incarceration would be to have more people in your racial group obey the law.

The other way is to stop treating law breakers as criminals, which is absurd.

I'm for some criminal justice system reform, but bonding out a bank robber without bail is ridiculous.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85538 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 8:53 am to
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robbery in the third degree and grand larceny,


Muh nonviolent crimes
Posted by go_tigres
Member since Sep 2013
5494 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:08 am to
At what point do politicians bear liability for these types of issues?

In California, all those visit that are suffering because of the rampant homeless issue due to crappy laws/policies passed by politicians should be culpable.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:09 am to
So did he get out of jail immediately the second time as well?
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:39 am to
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you have a vested interest in restorative justice, no?


I’ve been more than upfront about the fact that I’m a criminal defense attorney. With that said, the self interested position for a criminal defense attorney to take would be to oppose non-monetary bail reform. There is good money to be made being retained simply to handle a bond reduction.

So while I’m personally in favor of non-monetary bail being the norm, no, I don’t believe that is a self interested position.
This post was edited on 1/13/20 at 9:55 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
33417 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:40 am to
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Muh nonviolent crimes


He slid a note across the counter which told them to put money in a bag. This is hardly what the average person thinks of when they hear the term “bank robbery”.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:44 am to
I would like to know how he robbed a bank with no violence or no threat of violence?


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handed a threatening note to a teller


When a threat of violence is offered that is a crime of violence in my book. You were able to assert dominance over someone to hand money over during a robbery because the person feared for their life.

How is that a non violent crime just because the threat wasn’t carried out?

This post was edited on 1/13/20 at 9:54 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
33417 posts
Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:49 am to
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I would like to know how he robbed a bank with no violence or no threat of violence?


I’ve handled cases exactly like this. Judges, to a person, considered the threat of force or violence to be implied.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:55 am to
A teller said they were handed a threatening note.

Based in what you just said he should not have been released.
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