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re: Male Student is Possibly Raped; Gets Expelled for Sexual Assaut

Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:47 pm to
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:47 pm to
This isn't a rape case where she says he stormed into her room and forced her. She willingly gave him a blowjob. She wanted to and felt bad about it later and texted that to a friend.

That does nothing to suggest that during the blowjob she didn't try to stop the blowjob but he forced her to continue.
Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
Member since May 2014
5101 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:50 pm to
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am seriously debating posting this on some reddit feminist page with the genders reversed and see what happens


You know exactly what will happen.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108203 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

This isn't a rape case where she says he stormed into her room and forced her. She willingly gave him a blowjob. She wanted to and felt bad about it later and texted that to a friend.

That does nothing to suggest that during the blowjob she didn't try to stop the blowjob but he forced her to continue.
Of course. I know that if I am ever raped the first thought will be for me to text my friend Herman and apologize for my wrongdoings, say "I fricked" my rapist, instead of mentioning the fact I was raped
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 12:53 pm
Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
Member since May 2014
5101 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

She wanted to and felt bad about it later and texted that to a friend.


Perfect motivation to lie about it afterwards.

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That does nothing to suggest that during the blowjob she didn't try to stop the blowjob but he forced her to continue


Again, where is the evidence to suggest such a thing happened besides her testimony? A testimony that looks AT BEST to not be supported by any correspondence after the act?
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19804 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:56 pm to
Repeat after me OT.

He is a guy accused of sexual assault by a woman. He is guilty.

End thread.


BTW. What pisses me off the most is that every one of these girls gives the same exact statement so it is obvious they are coached. "I was drunk and woke up to him on top of me. I told him to stop and then don't remember anything else before or after." Amazingly, they can only ever remember the one detail that is the element of the crime. As if the police didn't coach them on that.
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 1:01 pm
Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
Member since May 2014
5101 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:58 pm to
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say "I fricked" my rapist, instead of mentioning the fact I was raped


90% of prison rape victims describe the act as "fricking bubba with my a-hole".

Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:58 pm to
Reading your posts make my head hurt.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:00 pm to
Wait. You're srs?

Just lol at your ignorance
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
4977 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:04 pm to
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Again, where is the evidence to suggest such a thing happened besides her testimony? A testimony that looks AT BEST to not be supported by any correspondence after the act?


After he finished he went to the bathroom and she threw all his clothes, phone, etc out in the hallway and locked the door. That could be a pretty big sign something went wrong.

But there doesn't need to be any other evidence. This isn't a he said, she said situation. He offered no testimony that he didn't rape her. This isn't a criminal court that requires beyond a reasonable doubt.

The only thing that could possibly be used against her is that her texts don't come across as "raped" enough for some posters here.

They found her testimony believable. He never denied any of it. She wins. That's a pretty easy call.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108203 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:06 pm to
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They found her testimony believable. He never denied any of it. She wins. That's a pretty easy call.
And he will sue the dumbass college, and win even easier.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138058 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:06 pm to
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That does nothing to suggest that during the blowjob she didn't try to stop the blowjob but he forced her to continue.


That text does nothing to suggest that she did either. If anything, it suggests her immediate remorse and unwillingness to take responsibility for the actions she initiated.
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 1:07 pm
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
4977 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:09 pm to
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That text does nothing to suggest that she did either. If anything, it suggests her immediate remorse and unwillingness to take responsibility for the actions she initiated.


I agree. It isn't really probative either way. I don't think it's enough to override undisputed testimony.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:14 pm to
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I agree. It isn't really probative either way. I don't think it's enough to override undisputed testimony.



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At a college "court". Rape is a REAL crime, and when it occurs, it demands REAL justice. Any school that does these asinine trials... much less trashing someone's reputation over it and/or telling victims NOT to go to the police, should be ripped of all federal funding.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:16 pm to
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And he will sue the dumbass college


If this raper gets a single dime, it will be an abortion of justice. If anything the victim should sue. Why would the school allow such a dangerous rapist on campus? This brave young woman should win a lawsuit and the admitting office personnel should serve time as accomplices to rape.

Just my two cents, but if you disagree then you're a bigot.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138058 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:16 pm to
Well, it's a moot point regardless. It was obviously something that made the board nervous about their "slam dunk" case, otherwise they would have let him submit it as evidence in his defense. This guy is going to get paid and the whole board as well as the University will have a nice black eye in the end.
Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
Member since May 2014
5101 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:16 pm to
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They found her testimony believable. He never denied any of it. She wins. That's a pretty easy call.
quote:

He offered no testimony that he didn't rape her. This isn't a criminal court that requires beyond a reasonable doubt.



Which is why a civil suit should follow. There was no reasonable due process here and definitely grounds for a civil suit against the school if not the girl.

I noticed that you've changed the argument from "the evidence suggest he raped her" to "It was good enough for this school's committee"

No one is arguing that. Obviously it was good enough for this school's purpose. The argument has been that this way of deciding justice is completely whacked out.
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 1:18 pm
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
4977 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:17 pm to
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At a college "court". Rape is a REAL crime, and when it occurs, it demands REAL justice. Any school that does these asinine trials... much less trashing someone's reputation over it and/or telling victims NOT to go to the police, should be ripped of all federal funding.


To be fair these college courts aren't determining criminal guilt and imprisoning people - they exist to determine if a student should be suspended or expelled. Criminal charges could still be filed regardless.

But there should be some kind of repercussion for school officials if they pressure students not to file criminal charges when they are warranted. This happens more than a lot of people know.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:17 pm to
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it demands REAL justice.


Are you suggesting that just because justice is social in nature, that makes it somehow less "real"?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61904 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:17 pm to
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She engaged in consensual sex with the guy. There's no question about that. She claims that she withdrew consent later and he forced her to continue.



Is there any evidence of that at all? Do you think that there is no need for evidence?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76536 posts
Posted on 7/21/15 at 1:19 pm to
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If this raper gets a single dime, it will be an abortion of justice. If anything the victim should sue. Why would the school allow such a dangerous rapist on campus? This brave young woman should win a lawsuit and the admitting office personnel should serve time as accomplices to rape.

LucasP, Scruffy likes you, but you are completely diluting your trolling.

If you notice, people don't even really respond to you anymore.

Moderation is key.
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