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re: Malaysian Airliner with 295 people on board shot down by SAM missle

Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by DeathValley1924
Clear Lake, TX
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:28 pm to
The leader of the Seperatists posted on the Russian equivalent of FB 30 minutes after the plane crashed that they had shot down a Ukrainian Anotov 26. It has been deleted.

To paraphrase, he stated "we warned you not to fly over our space. We have video The bird as fallen."

Sounds like a real bad mistake. Thought they were shooting at a Ukrainian cargo plane again. Oops.

This all reported by Shep Smith just now.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
60082 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:28 pm to
fox news just reported they have the black box. This will likely tell us that a catastrophic explosion happened on the aircraft likely caused by a SAM. (I think it can anyway) But I suspect the flight recorder will show the plane flying normally no issues, no panic in the cockpit everything as normal than suddenly a loud explosion and the plane plumits towards the ground confirming a SAM strike.
Posted by Alatgr
Mobeezy, Alabizzle
Member since Sep 2005
18115 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

The US passenger plane shot down by Russia in the 80's was followed by a Russian fighter plane for 30 minutes and word came from Moscow to shoot it down. It was no accident!


It was South Korean, not American.
Posted by ColoradoAg03
Denver, CO
Member since Oct 2012
6681 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

fox news just reported they have the black box


Fox News recovered the black box??
Posted by AstroTiger
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Oct 2007
22967 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:29 pm to
more twitter...

UPDATE: Militia recover black boxes from site of Malaysia #MH17 crash



If the Russian Militia have the black box, that won't be very helpful
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40964 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:30 pm to
quote:


fox news just reported they have the black box. This will likely tell us that a catastrophic explosion happened on the aircraft likely caused by a SAM. (I think it can anyway


You're assuming the Ukrainian separatists will let anyone see the box
Posted by MetArl15
Washington, DC
Member since Apr 2007
13767 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

It was South Korean
This is true, but the flight originated in New York and carried a U.S. Congressman on it in adittion to many other Americans. For all intents and purposes, it was American.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61451 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:30 pm to
i havent followed every page, but how has it been confirmed that it was a SAM missile?

i'm not doubting that it was, just looking for how it was determined?

Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

It was South Korean, not American.


I'm sure he meant it originated in the US, was carrying 62 AMCITs, and was thought to be a US intelligence collection mission (which is why it was specifically targeted by the Soviets).
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71751 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

fox news just reported they have the black box.


Fox news clearly in on it if they already have possession of the black box.
Posted by beaver
The 755 Club
Member since Sep 2009
46861 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:30 pm to
Putin has to be real pissed

Ukraine was on the world news back burner and now it's top story again, and will be for a while
Posted by redneck
Los Suenos, Costa Rica
Member since Dec 2003
54199 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:31 pm to
If Russia is behind this they don't deserve to host the world cup in 2018, get ready America, we got this
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
21743 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:31 pm to
I flew home from India this morning. I would have been a little nervous flying over Afghanastain if this happened yesterday.
Posted by AstroTiger
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Oct 2007
22967 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:31 pm to
Breaking: Pro-Russian separatists in Eastern #Ukraine say they have found black box flight recorder of downed #MH17 LINK
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6765 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:33 pm to
Posted by SM6
Georgia
Member since Jul 2008
8971 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

Do you not know what a "squawk" is? I find it comical anyone thinks you can lean on a SAM keyboard and fire a missile. 
No, I've only got my Airline Transport Pilot license and over 5000 hours of flight time. Please educate me on what a "squawk" is.


The command and control station doesn't necessarily interrogate a target for transponder. In an ideal world it will look for an IFF signal and barring none assume it is not 'friendly'. However if these separatists are simply using a tracking radar for targeting purposes, without any protocols for assuring it is indeed hostile (like any professional army would). Then it is not inconceivable that they saw plane, targeted plane, killed plane. Simple as that thought process.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
24852 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

Pro-Russian separatists in Eastern #Ukraine say they have found black box flight recorder of downed #MH17


let the tampering begin
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40964 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:34 pm to
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I flew home from India this morning. I would have been a little nervous flying over Afghanastain if this happened yesterday.


No kidding. So would I. It's something that's on my mind now.
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
15803 posts
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

Ukraine was on the world news back burner and now it's top story again, and will be for a while


Now our border problems will be on the back burner.
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