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re: Making A Murder O-T Lounge Thread

Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:13 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:13 pm to
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If there is a good reason to believe, without reasonable doubt, that he murdered her, then what is it?

meh, some posters have made it pretty clear that they wouldn't have found him guilty but do believe he did it.

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The evidence presented in the documentary all has room for reasonable doubt. So yeah, there's no good reason to believe he did it. He MAY have done it, but there doesn't appear to be a good reason to believe that. 
There are many reasons to believe it, just not necessarily without a reasonable doubt.

As for the remainder of your post, why isn't it possible for some of the evidence to be legit and other pieces planted?
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:17 pm to
Two things:


Did they ever address where the needle sized hole in the cap of the blood tube came from?


Brendan Dassey's confession was painful how shitty they manipulated him.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18419 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:41 pm to
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Did they ever address where the needle sized hole in the cap of the blood tube came from?


The judge wouldn't let the defense present it as evidence so it was a lost cause. You have to understand that the primary job of the defense team was to prove their clients innocence, so with the judge saying no to the tube pushing the matter any further would have been fruitless.
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
40227 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:43 pm to
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Brendan Dassey's confession was painful how shitty they manipulated him.
I dont know how those prosecutors could sleep at night. They knew they had a shite for brains kid. My heart broke when you would hear him ask if he's going to be let go to turn in a school project. Does that sound like the mindset of a killer? Worried about a school project.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:54 pm to
How is that inadmissible evidence?
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:55 pm to
Yeah, the thing he was most disappointed about was missing Wrestlemania. They practically put the words in his mouth in that confession.
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18419 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:59 pm to
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How is that inadmissible evidence?



Something about it implying an alternative killer which the judge didn't allow.
Posted by iluvdatiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2004
43021 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 8:59 pm to
I lost interest in the second episode. Unlike the Adnan Syed case, which I am still obsessing over.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
80723 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:01 pm to
Way to give it a chance.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Member since Jun 2009
13494 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 9:19 pm to
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meh, some posters have made it pretty clear that they wouldn't have found him guilty but do believe he did it.

There are many reasons to believe it, just not necessarily without a reasonable doubt.

As for the remainder of your post, why isn't it possible for some of the evidence to be legit and other pieces planted?
So if you think it's reasonable to doubt that Avery is guilty, why do you make the leap from presumption of his innocence to believing that he is guilty?

If you believe some of the evidence is planted, why would you assume that some of the evidence is legit? You're being exceedingly vague here--what evidence do you believe was planted, and what evidence do you believe is legit? What evidence links Avery to the murder and could not have been planted? And if the police thought that the case against him was so weak that they needed to plant evidence to ensure his conviction, shouldn't that signal to you that maybe there actually isn't a good reason to believe he's guilty?

I have a feeling you're hesitant to be specific because you aren't actually sure yourself. You simply believe that he is guilty and you're being dishonest with yourself about how tenuous that belief is. If you really have a good reason to believe he's guilty, then let's hear it. Otherwise, take some time to yourself and reconsider your belief.
This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 9:24 pm
Posted by 2smooth
Member since Jan 2015
2777 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

Avery was convicted on a timeline that involved her being killed in the garage and Dassey was convicted on a timeline that her being killed in the trailer. Two convictions involving the same crime but both trails are based on two different timelines.


Thank you and there was no blood in either murder area
Posted by GTSwarms
FloRida
Member since Jul 2015
1563 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 11:07 pm to
WTF is all the hype about this stupid fake documentary?

I feel like I am watching a shitty episode of Intervention. I bet it is from the same makers of that shitty show.

The same shitty music, same shitty camera effect, same shitty narrative.

This show is fricking garbage and I am pissed that I spent $8 to renew my shitty Netflix Account that I cancelled several months ago because Netflix fricking sucks.
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
17360 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 11:23 pm to
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I lost interest in the second episode. Unlike the Adnan Syed case, which I am still obsessing over.


This case is far more compelling than Adnan's.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88411 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 11:33 pm to
Through 4 eps. I'm hooked. Will likely finish tomorrow. Was tough to stop.
Posted by proudertider
mandeville
Member since Sep 2009
278 posts
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:08 am to
"Beyond a reasonable doubt"

"Presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty"

How any jury can get beyond those two supposed guarantees of our justice system and find these men guilty (especially Brendan) is scary as hell to me.

Someone posted you'll be fine if you're not poor. Hmmm...

In this case they are not rich, but Steve used a $400,000 settlement to defend himself and still lost. In a nation where it's been reported less than 50% of ppl have one thousand in savings, 400k should be enough to buy a damn good defense.

This case proves what a farce the "justice" system has become. Even if he is guilty, not one post in this thread, nor evidence presented at trial has proven it beyond a doubt.

And what of judges who basically work as prosecutors in robes? It's disgusting.
Posted by proudertider
mandeville
Member since Sep 2009
278 posts
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:12 am to
More about the judges:

The family isn't rich but their auto salvage was valued at more than 500k. They were willing to put it up for his appeal or bond (can't remember which) and the judge denied them that right. What the hell?!

Again, even if you have some means, this system is designed to get convictions and innocent people are being denied justice daily.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 1:13 am
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25790 posts
Posted on 1/5/16 at 4:58 am to
For the record, the original thread title spoiled it for me. Thanks, butthole.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:03 am to
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My heart broke when you would hear him ask if he's going to be let go to turn in a school project. Does that sound like the mindset of a killer? Worried about a school project.


How much do any of us know about the "mindset of a killer"? Me, not much, but I think a lot of murders are committed by idiots with no sense of proportion, little ability to judge the long-term consequences or implications of actions and situations, etc. In other words, it sounds exactly like the thing a killer would say.

Haven't seen the doc, don't know whether they did it, sounds like they shouldn't have been convicted, etc, but I wouldn't let the idiocy of one of the suspects make me believe in his innocence.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13494 posts
Posted on 1/5/16 at 6:39 am to
You need to watch the documentary before commenting. You just don't understand and you're speaking from a position of ignorance.
Posted by LanierSpots
Gulf of America / Sarasota FL
Member since Sep 2010
71794 posts
Posted on 1/5/16 at 7:29 am to
I think they did it but evidence was tampered with.


If I was on the Jury, I would have had a hard time passing down a Guilty verdict with the way the trail went on film.


We dont know if there were things not shown in the tv coverage
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