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re: Making A Murder O-T Lounge Thread

Posted on 1/4/16 at 2:56 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 2:56 pm to
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And you realize they didn't use Brendan's testimony in his trial right?
I've seen it said no less than 5 times on this board that SA woulda walked if it weren't for Brendan's confession, I believe I responded to one of them asking the same thing, they never used Brendan's confession in the trial so that was irrelevant to Avery's conviction.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
49099 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 2:57 pm to
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I find your views personally offensive and potentially very harmful to the world. I think you should be locked up for life. How about them apples.


If I burn your cat and cum on your car(without your permission) I should be locked up for life.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 2:57 pm to
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(which is probably true because there is no good reason to believe he murdered her).
Stop
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 2:58 pm to
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Why the frick would you dismember someone if you're just going to burn the body into ash? There's no reason to do that


To cover them up. And I don't know if she was dismembered tbh, they just said they THINK she was. So you can take that out of my theory and it still stands.

Killed her then burned her.

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. If the murder occurred in the salvage yard, why are there bullet fragments in the garage?


Cops planted it. That was part of #4.

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You're making the assumption that Avery did it and then carving this theory to fit the lack of evidence, which is the exact wrong way to go about this.



Well, he was the last person to see her, was harassing her before, she had complained about his behavior to her before, his blood was in the car (you can take this out if you think its planted), her blood was all over the car, her car was on his property, and her body was burned in his front yard in a bonfire he admitted to lighting. Her phone and palm pilot were in the barrel burned as well.

Assuming isn't the right word. I'm looking at the evidence first and foremost then coming to a logical conclusion.

I am not taking into account his bizarre criminal history and sexual oddities.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 2:58 pm to
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I've seen it said no less than 5 times on this board that SA woulda walked if it weren't for Brendan's confession, I believe I responded to one of them asking the same thing, they never used Brendan's confession in the trial so that was irrelevant to Avery's conviction.

This is true only if you believe that the jury members never heard about Brendan's confession outside the courtroom. And I doubt that's true.
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
17360 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:00 pm to
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they never used Brendan's confession in the trial so that was irrelevant to Avery's conviction.


It's relevant if you subscribe to the idea that the jury pool was tainted because of the confession.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:03 pm to
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she had complained about his behavior to her before
She did? I may have missed that.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:03 pm to
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This is true only if you believe that the jury members never heard about Brendan's confession outside the courtroom. And I doubt that's true.
Weren't you just telling another poster something about assumptions?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:04 pm to
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she had complained about his behavior to her before
She did? I may have missed that.


Wasn't in the doc.

He also requested her specifically to come out there. They had met before and he greeted her in nothing but a towel, for which she complained to her colleagues about his behavior.

And then he called her using *67 a couple times before she arrived.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
40159 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:04 pm to
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The guy is a certified moron.

Like IQ of a well-trained chimp kind of moron.


They said that but I think his IQ is at least average (100). It certainly is not the same as Brendan's.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:05 pm to
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Wasn't in the doc.
Ah, well that's not good for Avery.

This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
40159 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:05 pm to
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Fwiw, there were 12 jurors with access to wayyyyyyyy more information than we have, and all 12 eventually arrived at a guilty verdict.


The jury itself was tainted. It's been asserted that one of them was the father of one of the deputies.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:05 pm to
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To cover them up. And I don't know if she was dismembered tbh, they just said they THINK she was. So you can take that out of my theory and it still stands.

Killed her then burned her.

"To cover them up"? Cover what up... the ashes? That still doesn't make sense. If you burn a corpse to the point that it becomes ash, then the skeleton is no longer articulated--the bones aren't connected to each other at all. The individual bones are reduced into brittle, pebble-sized chunks.

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Well, he was the last person to see her,
Last person KNOWN to see her. That doesn't mean he was actually the last to see her.

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was harassing her before, she had complained about his behavior to her before,

AFAIK he answered the door in a towel. Was there more to it?

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his blood was in the car (you can take this out if you think its planted),

Everything points to it being planted.

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her blood was all over the car,

Her blood was found in one spot, where her head rested against the side of the trunk area of the car, which suggests her body was placed there in one piece (think about how you'd lay a body in the back of the SUV--the feet would be on one side and the head would be on the other)

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her car was on his property,

True, but that doesn't mean he put it there.

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and her body was burned in his front yard in a bonfire he admitted to lighting.

Evidence points to the body being burned elsewhere and the ashes dumped in his fire pit. There's no reason to believe that the body was burned in the same bonfire he lit. It could have been placed there after the bonfire.

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Her phone and palm pilot were in the barrel burned as well.

And some of her bones were found at a separate burn site. If he burned her body somewhere else, why'd he take a barrel from his back yard and move her remains to his own fire pit?

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Assuming isn't the right word. I'm looking at the evidence first and foremost then coming to a logical conclusion.
Assuming is most definitely the right word. You're creating a theory that explains the absence of evidence, and the presence of exonerating evidence.

Do you know what OTHER theory would explain the evidence? I do: someone else killed her, burned her body elsewhere, moved the remains to Avery's yard using a barrel from his yard, and parked her car on his property. Then the police planted evidence to frame Avery. They have motive, means, and opportunity.
This post was edited on 1/4/16 at 3:07 pm
Posted by Anonymous95
Member since Sep 2014
2101 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:06 pm to
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Did Colburn ever attempt to explain why he made that call anywhere?


Not that I've seen. At least not in the documentary.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:06 pm to
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Wasn't in the doc.

Ah, well that's not good.


LINK
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:07 pm to
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They said that but I think his IQ is at least average (100). It certainly is not the same as Brendan's.
I believe Avery's was said to be exactly 70, and Brendan's was in the range of 69-73.

I only somewhat remember as I just watched from episode 1 starting Saturday, was quite the uneventful weekend lol.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:07 pm to
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LINK
Everything in this link is weak as frick.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:09 pm to
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Everything in this link is weak as frick.



Some things are, others are good shite.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
40159 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:09 pm to
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I've seen it said no less than 5 times on this board that SA woulda walked if it weren't for Brendan's confession, I believe I responded to one of them asking the same thing, they never used Brendan's confession in the trial so that was irrelevant to Avery's conviction.


Instead of issuing a gag order (due to the massive and well-known conflicts of interest in this case), the judge allowed the prosecution to hold that despicable circus of a press conference in which they trotted out the utterly preposterous horror show of the rape and throat cutting on the bed with Brendan participating.

3 of the 6 charges were based on that story and they STILL almost didn't get the judge to let the last of them be dropped.

It is beyond argument that all of that horror story stuff put out by the prosecution terminally poisoned the jury against the defendant.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 1/4/16 at 3:10 pm to
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Everything in this link is weak as frick.
Knowing that it wasn't just blood, but actually Avery's sweat that was found on the set of keys, that's not weak.
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