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re: Lt. Gov. Billy Nungesser letter on cancellation of $3 billion Mid-Barataria Diversion
Posted on 7/21/25 at 5:05 pm to Swazla
Posted on 7/21/25 at 5:05 pm to Swazla
I would never argue that buiding those levees in the early 1900's were a bad thing. It protected commerce in Louisiana's most important resource. But there are side effects and this is one. So I do believe that a diversion (or multiple diversions) are a good solution to at least give the river a chance to do what it naturally used to do without disrupting river traffic and commerce. The expensive part of the west side of the lower Mississippi is Hwy 23. Gotta build a sound and expensive diversion structure and a bridge over it to protect traffic access to the south. Especially important now with the new industrial facilities down there.
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Posted on 7/21/25 at 5:19 pm to ragincajun03
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kill oysters, shrimp
Yep, there it is. The stupid dolphin thing is a red herring. Also, I've never heard anyone say the loss of a species in a specific area is an extinction. As many others have pointed out, it is way more likely that they just moved and populated more salty waters.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 6:32 pm to FlyingTiger06
I don’t think anyone on this board has enough knowledge either way on this subject.Thoughout history the local and federal govt has pissed money away ,into the pockets of cronies, without the desired results of said project.We the public are never fully educated or informed on the true details of these projects.Im one not educated enough to be for or against.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 6:36 pm to ragincajun03
He is a POS slimy cock sucker
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:09 pm to ragincajun03
Dude is such a clown. I heard him talk to a group of ascension parish business owners and all he did was talk about the dolphins to pull at the heart strings of people who don’t know any better
Posted on 7/21/25 at 7:12 pm to ragincajun03
Interesting past history of this little site:
This was supposed to go through just South of the Alliance Refinery. Harvest Midstream, owned by Hilcorp, owns the refinery along with 2,000 acres around it, and leased the site to the state. Some dumb company tried to develop a low carbon methanol plant right where the Diversion Canal begins. Their dock would somewhat block the entrance of the Canal from Mississippi River restricting sediment flow. On top of that, there is a town of Ironton right there that is mostly black. Apparently, some Black slave owner, named Andrew Durnford, who got his money from McDonough, who the McDonough 35 and Nola high schools are named after, was buried right where there tank farm would be. Ironton protested. It was called St. Rosalie Plantation back pre civil war.
The project was cancelled. Not sure if it was bc they wanted to build their fricking dock right at the entrance of the sediment diversion canal, or tank farm was to be built over a black slave owners grave. Why Ironton would fight for someone who owned black slaves, just because he was black, makes no sense to me. That's like celebrating a US soldier that partook in friendly fire. Like celebrating the guy who killed Pat Tillman. Makes no sense.
This was supposed to go through just South of the Alliance Refinery. Harvest Midstream, owned by Hilcorp, owns the refinery along with 2,000 acres around it, and leased the site to the state. Some dumb company tried to develop a low carbon methanol plant right where the Diversion Canal begins. Their dock would somewhat block the entrance of the Canal from Mississippi River restricting sediment flow. On top of that, there is a town of Ironton right there that is mostly black. Apparently, some Black slave owner, named Andrew Durnford, who got his money from McDonough, who the McDonough 35 and Nola high schools are named after, was buried right where there tank farm would be. Ironton protested. It was called St. Rosalie Plantation back pre civil war.
The project was cancelled. Not sure if it was bc they wanted to build their fricking dock right at the entrance of the sediment diversion canal, or tank farm was to be built over a black slave owners grave. Why Ironton would fight for someone who owned black slaves, just because he was black, makes no sense to me. That's like celebrating a US soldier that partook in friendly fire. Like celebrating the guy who killed Pat Tillman. Makes no sense.
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:46 pm to Saunson69
You knew he and Landry are lying when they say Mississippi River sediment will bring toxic materials and cause a dead zone in the estuaries. They are just flat out incompetent on water geology of our coast. This will go down as a colossal mistake.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:50 pm to Loup
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did they actually all die or just swim to saltier water?
Fresh water kills oysters. Lots of land has been built unintentionally west of Morgan City at the Wax Lake Outlet. Fishing and hunting is better than ever there.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 8:54 pm to Saunson69
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Interesting past history of this little site: This was supposed to go through just South of the Alliance Refinery. Harvest Midstream, owned by Hilcorp, owns the refinery along with 2,000 acres around it, and leased the site to the state. Some dumb company tried to develop a low carbon methanol plant right where the Diversion Canal begins. Their dock would somewhat block the entrance of the Canal from Mississippi River restricting sediment flow. On top of that, there is a town of Ironton right there that is mostly black.
Also, mid barataria also had to build a bridge for railroad track that deadended just after the diversion. Now Myrtle Grove was supposed to be further south and smaller past the rail line.
Today, Gordy was on HTV discussing the reason for canceling. There are some good arguments for canceling and going with Myrtle Grove in that the feds were going to pay 65% of the project and Army Corps would have been responsible for more of the ongoing operations and maintenance.
Also by canceling it, there is 2.3 billion dollars to spend on other projects and not just this one. The Myrtle Grove project was also agreed upon to be built well before the BP spill. It had congressional approval and several environmental groups that are against canceling mid barataria were singing a different song about putting too much fresh water in barataria supporting Myrtle Grove.
Here is a link to Gordy’s Slides.
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:07 pm to REG861
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absolutely no alternative plan
The plan according to the CPRA press release is to revive the Myrtle Grove dredging project.
Problem is, like others have mentioned the Trust is going to tell LA, "No".
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:14 pm to ragincajun03
The problem with this project is I don’t trust either side of the issue. I definitely don’t trust the ACOE. Just remember the MRGO, the failed levees.
But I don’t trust the other side either politicians and oyster fishermen.
But I don’t trust the other side either politicians and oyster fishermen.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:15 pm to RGT
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don’t think anyone on this board has enough knowledge either way on this subject
You'd be surprised. There's at least a few CPRA scientists and engineers that post here. Probably more than a few civil and environmental engineers working for various consulting firms too.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:19 pm to choupiquesushi
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The Miss River is actually one of the least polluted waterways in LA
Prob not from a nitrogen and phosphate perspective
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:21 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
Not a fan of Nungesser but the fact that JBE was for this and likely profiting from it always made me a little suspicious. The estimates had ballooned from initial costs and state was likely on the hook for the cost overruns. I don’t really know what the right answer is, but JBE just makes me very suspicious of this project.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:45 pm to ragincajun03
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this project proposes to dump polluted river water into a delicate estuary system that simply cannot handle it.
That stretch of the MS River is one of the few water bodies in the state without a listed impairment.
From the PowerPoint.
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the Mississippi River within the park corridor exceed water quality standards for
mercury, bacteria, sediment, PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyl), and nutrients
Once again. None of those pollutants are present at levels exceeding water quality standards. They're using misleading, old, or inaccurate data.
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Prob not from a nitrogen and phosphate perspective
Louisiana doesn't have specific nitrogen and phosphorus water quality standards. They measure dissolved oxygen as an indicator parameter. They recently added ammonia standards (gotta protect those freshwater mussels, wish I was kidding).
Eta: I will admit. That it could be a very different perspective when you're looking at loading (lbs) instead of concentration. Dilution and such. But the load shouldn't be a factor in the diversion calculation as the diversion flow would be controlled.
This post was edited on 7/22/25 at 6:23 am
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:58 pm to ragincajun03
People who are mad about this don’t realize we can just dump everyones old Christmas trees to restore the coast for way cheaper 
Posted on 7/21/25 at 10:01 pm to lowhound
quote:I’m honestly curious to see how they’re gonna frick us in a few decades when the parish literally doesn’t exist anymore
Yeah, let's let that corrupt Plaquemines Parish POS make the calls.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 10:12 pm to red sox fan 13
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I’m honestly curious to see how they’re gonna frick us in a few decades when the parish literally doesn’t exist anymore
Simple. They are going to want us to pay to "relocate" the few folks left...a hefty sum I'm sure.
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The Biloxi-Chitimacha-Choctaw tribe on Isle de Jean Charles, Louisiana, is relocating due to severe coastal erosion and rising sea levels. This relocation is the first of its kind, with the tribe receiving federal funding to move to a new, safer location.
It's a damn shame. Every time I go fishing down there you have to relearn the area. Even a minor disturbance in the Gulf seems to change the landscape for the worse.
That diversion was simply the best chance the area had.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 10:56 pm to ragincajun03
A conservative cares more about dolphins and oysters than about people.
He’s full of it.
He’s full of it.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 11:08 pm to Swazla
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but either way that fresh water will either damage or wipe out the oyster beds, the fisheries and those species, such as the dolphins.
None of which was there before coastal erosion
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