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re: LSU Law Professor writes article for NYT

Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:22 pm to
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:22 pm to
That's complete bullshite re: "that's what he is saying."

The entire point of his article is stressing institutional factors over personal responsibility.

Everyone will agree that both are to blame, but he downplays personal responsibility to the point that it's clear he doesn't want to have an honest conversation.
Posted by Boagni Swamp
Right next door to No Face
Member since Oct 2015
912 posts
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:27 pm to
No no no no no.

The fact that y'all are talking past each other shows the problem. He says you can't bootstrap out of the problem through personal responsibility because institutional factors play a large role. Aha!, you immediately respond. He's denying personal responsibility, so I've stopped listening.

This is the problem. This is, in a microcosm, why people aren't communicating on this issue.

I'm done. I've tried to listen to everybody, from black militants to keyboard klansmen. I'll look for truth from anybody. But aint nobody else listening to anybody. I quit.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 11:32 pm
Posted by IntenseKid
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2014
3200 posts
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:28 pm to
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted by PrideofTheSEC
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2012
5234 posts
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:31 pm to
Was thinking the same thing
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37168 posts
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:36 pm to
Has it ever occurred to you that the lack of personal responsibility plays a role regarding the institutional factors?

Whether right or wrong, it does.

By marginalizing personal responsibility to the extent its role is negligible, he refuses to have an honest conversation as to the root causes the problems that are facing north of Baton Rouge.

It is clear we will never interpret that paragraph I quoted earlier the same way. However, I'm willing to bet the house that the New York Times would not have published his opinion if they read it the same way as you. This is a wedge piece. If you can't see that, so be it.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112407 posts
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:41 pm to
Is he related to the former federal judge Ralph Tyson?

That would certainly explain the borderline retardation.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
45320 posts
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:44 pm to
quote:

Do you know how many of those people lack reliable or even any transportation and rely on friends, neighbors, and whoever to hitch a ride?


LBJ's and his like-minded followers policies have almost created a pet class. My pets rely on me for food, drink, shelter, and rides to the vet. The big difference is that we do not reward pets for bad behavior.

The downward spiral is real. In the end, much will be said and nothing will be done. Stopping the insane inertia is seen as anti progress.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
37763 posts
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:46 pm to
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ay. However, I'm willing to bet the house that the New York Times would not have published his opinion if they read it the same way as you. This is a wedge piece. If you can't see that, so be it.

Well, the NYT has published opinion articles calling out black on black crime. Just sayin'
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12373 posts
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:50 pm to
I think in context, Professor Tyson purposefully downplays the importance of individual choices and responsibility, but the reality of it is that he isn't altogether wrong, just as Bogani and McLane are saying.

More than anything, though, it is the cultural paradigm shift that has occurred in black American culture over the past fifty years, moving almost entirely away from two parent households that function independently to single parent households that function communally, that appears to be the root cause of most of the issues in black America today.

Communal rearing binds the individual to the community in far more dramatic ways so that, even if a child of promise manages to excel in education or otherwise, that child's desire to free himself from the community is near zero, despite that being in his best interest. The result is that the best and brightest, already too far behind their other counterparts in reading and math due to lack of parental involvement in early childhood education (see: single parent households), have very little hope of ever leaving the impoverished urban areas so frequently populated by black Americans.

This is a systemic problem not in the government or in the private sector, but in the family system and culture of modern black America. And this problem is far, far more difficult to root out than a policy shift or police education.

It is human nature for police to be afraid for their lives when they enter high crime areas where shootings are more common. The work that needs to be done is turning those areas into low crime areas, which comes with education, higher income and better prospects for success and financial security. To achieve this, certainly there must be a level of individual sense of drive and focus, as well as, perhaps, some policy changes to assist, but it largely comes down to a shift in the mentality of the black American culture and society to rise above the low expectations set for and by them, and to place a higher value on education and independence. There is no reason black Americans should not achieve at the levels of Asian and Middle Eastern Americans.
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
37168 posts
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:53 pm to
I feel like you just Frank-the-Tank'd James Carville with that one.
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
31857 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 12:06 am to
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Another race-baiter


FIFY. He's hardly ignorant. He's just a race-baiter.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 12:08 am to
It’s a very American story of how black people have systematically been denied the opportunity to live in safe and stable neighborhoods. No amount of “individual responsibility” or “bootstrapping” will ever change that.

How is Concord Estates these days, once had friends that lived there, it is in South BR, at the time it seemed like the residents were about 90% black working professionals. Every one of them would probably tell you that individual responsibility was a factor in them not living in North BR.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65133 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 12:08 am to
Why do the tards get promoted to teach kids?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 1:06 am to
Affirmative action?
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85241 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 6:28 am to
"picked his pocket for a gun".

When a law professor is indistinguishable in his hysterical alarmist language from a 16 year old with "he gat" , the law school may have problems.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68464 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 6:31 am to
quote:

LSU is getting dangerously close to Mizzou level.

We tried to tell you that it was only a matter of time before every university got infected with the dumb arse but you wouldn't listen
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15676 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 6:36 am to
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From now on, however, the image of my city includes that of a visibly restrained man being shot at point blank range, then left to bleed to death while members of our police force picked his pockets for a gun.




What a fricking joke. Amazing that people are so emotional that they overlook what the video actually shows.


This is why we can't have nice things.

People are fricking stupid. You go through that much trouble to ignore plain as day facts you have no usefulness. I'd just as soon see you hit in the head with a brick and left for maggot food.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19811 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 6:41 am to
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LSU Law Professor writes article for NYT
Is he related to the former federal judge Ralph Tyson?

That would certainly explain the borderline retardation.




Judge Tysons son. The Judge is doing barrel rolls in his grave.
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 6:53 am to
quote:

A few years ago, my wife and I moved from our old home, a block from what is essentially the north-south dividing line, to south Baton Rouge to be closer to her job


LOL...... This guy is so full of shite on this statement alone.
Posted by piratedude
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2009
2765 posts
Posted on 7/13/16 at 6:55 am to
i got to the line about "picked his pocket" and realized the author was a frick-tard. a law professor ought to have at least a passing knowledge of law and law enforcement. instead he's a frick-tard.
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