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re: Louisiana Supreme Court just accepted the St. George incorporation case
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:49 pm to Dixie2023
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:49 pm to Dixie2023
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If Central did it, why all if the fuss re St George?
Central didn't jump headfirst into this. It started with a school district and quickly worked into a full fledged city. St. George tried to do it all at once and the judges determined that they couldn't pull it off financially.
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I get loss of tax base, but if one can do it, why not another?
That's why SWB is fighting against it 100%
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Did Central face a fight?
Not as big as St. George is. There's an immensely larger sum of tax revenue being lost if St. George happens. It's also being gerrymandered a lot to exclude specific sections in the city that are surrounded by the rest of the proposed St. George.
I understand why St. George wants to happen and it truly sucks because they have been feeding EBR their money and seeing nothing come of it.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:57 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
It's all about the money. At the heart of the issue is that people are NOT getting any value for the amount of taxes they pay. Entitlements, salaries, benefits, etc. Too many city deadbeats sucking on the tit showing no progress on anything except drawing a salary.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:58 pm to Dixie2023
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If Central did it, why all if the fuss re St George? I get loss of tax base, but if one can do it, why not another? Did Central face a fight?
I'm pretty sure there was some opposition. I remember hearing an interview several years ago with Mary Olive Pierson, who at one time was working with SWB to oppose St. George (not sure if she still is), where Central was brought up. She pretty directly stated that the people who were working to oppose the Central incorporation botched the case and if she had been working on it, Central would not have happened. She seems like one that likes to hear herself speak, so that statement certainly could have been BS.
Central also incorporated back in 2005 and there's been significant demographic shifts in EBR in the nearly 20 years since then; that was pre-Katrina and there's been a pretty steady outflow of people to Livingston, Ascension, West Feliciana, and out of state since then.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:00 pm to Chrome
The BR side is trying to muddy the water and throw as much shite as possible up to prevent an incorporation.
IIRC, the first BR victory claimed that the incorporation would have a disparate impact on BR.
The second victory ignored that and instead decided that the petition was invalid because having a link to the plan of government on the petition isn’t sufficient.
It comes down to BR attempting to find anything possible to prevent the area from incorporating and, thus, removing those tax dollars from the general fund.
That the general fund’s spending, by statute, directly benefit BR over Baker, Central, Zachary, and the unincorporated areas should be its own fricking case. IIRC, half the general fund is earmarked toward BRPD and BRFD, which only covers BR and, in the case of BRFD, not the entirety of BR. Independent fire districts cover much of the parish.
IIRC, the first BR victory claimed that the incorporation would have a disparate impact on BR.
The second victory ignored that and instead decided that the petition was invalid because having a link to the plan of government on the petition isn’t sufficient.
It comes down to BR attempting to find anything possible to prevent the area from incorporating and, thus, removing those tax dollars from the general fund.
That the general fund’s spending, by statute, directly benefit BR over Baker, Central, Zachary, and the unincorporated areas should be its own fricking case. IIRC, half the general fund is earmarked toward BRPD and BRFD, which only covers BR and, in the case of BRFD, not the entirety of BR. Independent fire districts cover much of the parish.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:01 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
I think we will have to wait and see.
If anyone gerrymandering it is the City of BR and they did this all over the parish. Look at Florida Blvd East after Flannery Road before O’Neal Lane. They annexed the commercial business while leaving out the residential subdivisions.
This area is not breaking away from anything. It is an unincorporated area that the people who live there went through the process and voted to become a city.
1 EBRP Councilman Lamont Cole, is the only one left on the lawsuit. He does not even live in the area. That tells you a lot about EBRP and their form of government.
At the meeting in the summer one of the state reps Rick Edmonds explained how the judges took “and” in the annexation law to come up with their judgements.
Now the Supreme Court can either clear this or move forward as other areas that want to annex in this state are looking at the outcome of this case.
If anyone gerrymandering it is the City of BR and they did this all over the parish. Look at Florida Blvd East after Flannery Road before O’Neal Lane. They annexed the commercial business while leaving out the residential subdivisions.
This area is not breaking away from anything. It is an unincorporated area that the people who live there went through the process and voted to become a city.
1 EBRP Councilman Lamont Cole, is the only one left on the lawsuit. He does not even live in the area. That tells you a lot about EBRP and their form of government.
At the meeting in the summer one of the state reps Rick Edmonds explained how the judges took “and” in the annexation law to come up with their judgements.
Now the Supreme Court can either clear this or move forward as other areas that want to annex in this state are looking at the outcome of this case.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:02 pm to nicholastiger
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I don't see it improving school situation in that area either as most that live in that area will still attend the private schools
A large portion will see how good the schools develop into before deciding. If they offer a viable option like say Dutchtown or Mandeville, there will be a large portion that send their kids to the public schools.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:02 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
There were two petitions.
The “gerrymandered” areas didn’t WANT to be in St George or were a major legal hassle for the first petition (renters moving between signing the petition and signatures being verified), which was why they weren’t on the second petition.
The “gerrymandered” areas didn’t WANT to be in St George or were a major legal hassle for the first petition (renters moving between signing the petition and signatures being verified), which was why they weren’t on the second petition.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:03 pm to Dixie2023
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If Central did it, why all if the fuss re St George? I get loss of tax base, but if one can do it, why not another? Did Central face a fight?
The federal government required a city in order to form a school district because of a desegregation court order.
That order ended in the 2000’s and a city was no longer required. It literally has nothing to do with schools in this case.
Sorry, just giving facts. you may get legal advice from Sharon Westin Broome, but I don’t.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:04 pm to beerandt
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Can't Landry basically sign off on the election once he's in and moot all of this?
I think he can appoint a transitional government after the ruling. All of which will be conservative republicans, I'm sure.
Landry being elected over Wilson is likely a good thing for St. George residents. Honestly I think Wilson would have been governor of New Orleans only and snubbed his nose at the rest of the state. So as much as I don't like Landry, I'm glad Wilson isn't there.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:04 pm to RedHawk
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To me Central makes sense. Look at a map of Central and then look at the gerrymandering map of St. George.
It’s gerrymandered because they excluded areas that overwhelmingly voted against incorporation last time.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:04 pm to johnnyrocket
That isn’t the only area where borders are fricky.
My parents live around the 10-12 split and the BR city borders basically snake around them on three sides because they wanted the businesses to be in the city but wanted to avoid the small neighborhoods that existed before the area built up starting in the 80s.
My parents live around the 10-12 split and the BR city borders basically snake around them on three sides because they wanted the businesses to be in the city but wanted to avoid the small neighborhoods that existed before the area built up starting in the 80s.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:04 pm to beerandt
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Can't Landry basically sign off on the election once he's in and moot all of this? Or are we past that point with what the courts have ruled?
JBE actually signed everything that he was required to by law that sets the transition up. Basically it’s in the courts hands.
The St. George group has continued to have their transition meetings as required. The city of Baton Rouge has never shown up to the transition meetings.
Where Landry comes in is that he would be able to name the first mayor and set the election. JBE could have put someone favorable to him and his cronies in the spot, but he will be out by the time of the ruling.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:05 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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voted against incorporation last time
There was never a first vote… those were just the areas with the lowest yield of signatures vs residents in the area.
They used renters in the area moving as a reason to invalidate enough signatures to kill the first petition.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:09 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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they have been feeding EBR their money and seeing nothing come of it.
Interesting . . . nothing in return except for significant amount of infrastructure upgrades that was a catalyst for growth over the last 30 years.
St. George is nothing more than a utopian wet dream for those that live in that area. In reality that area is getting run down quickly and in a few years it will not be any different than Sherwood Forrrest, O’Neal Lane, etc. no matter what you call it or who is governing it.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:10 pm to Dixie2023
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If Central did it, why all if the fuss re St George? I get loss of tax base, but if one can do it, why not another? Did Central face a fight?
Not only Central but Zachary as well. I love how it's different now that bigger money is involved. Broome is about as corrupt as they come to do this, but the fact that she is getting away with it is not a good thing for anyone, especially considering there was a lawful vote and process carried out.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:11 pm to skinny domino
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It doesn’t look nearly as bad as the Congressional Districts the Federal Court is pushing. In Louisiana? Where can I get a shot of these districts?
LINK
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:13 pm to armytiger96
Chicken and the egg… the growth was because people didn’t want to be in BR proper for a number of reasons and built in unincorporated EBR instead when possible.
OLOL system moved from downtown BR to Essen back when it was the fricking country because they wanted a new area with a lot of room to expand. Only businesses out there are the time were CCBR and NBC 33, IIRC.
Lots of businesses followed between wanting to be near all those jobs at the hospital and the population of the parish moving further south and east, away from the river and NBR.
OLOL system moved from downtown BR to Essen back when it was the fricking country because they wanted a new area with a lot of room to expand. Only businesses out there are the time were CCBR and NBC 33, IIRC.
Lots of businesses followed between wanting to be near all those jobs at the hospital and the population of the parish moving further south and east, away from the river and NBR.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:14 pm to teke184
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There was never a first vote… those were just the areas with the lowest yield of signatures vs residents in the area.
Correct, and the city limits of Baton Rouge are also very inconsistent in that area. They've annexed some residential developments in the 70s and 80s then abruptly stopped for some reason. So a lot of the newer in fill developments that are primarily residential are still unincorporated while older developments right across the street are in the Baton Rouge city limits. So the city limits of Baton Rouge on the south and east side are a lot of weird boundaries that aren't based on typography or anything other than the timing of when the land was developed and the agenda of the city government that day.
My attitude is that 100% of the St. George boundaries are in unincorporated East Baton Rouge. The voters there wanted it, so they should get it - and that includes responsibilities that come with governing a city including hosting elections, hiring or subcontracting entities to run the government, and possibly even setting up their own police force and school district (which they actually want to do).
If Baton Rouge wanted those neighborhoods, they should have at least tried to annex them. But they didn't - and some of those unincorporated areas now are seeking to be the city of St. George. They voted for it and they should get it. The delay tactics and lawsuits are table stakes and bullshite IMO.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 1:15 pm to statman34
Zachary incorporated in the 1800s. Baker was also incorporated for a long time.
The LA constitution allowed the parish to block further incorporation until the new one from the 1970s made it unconstitutional to cap the number of incorporated areas in a parish.
It was originally intended so that Scotlandville could incorporate but, instead, was ignored until Central incorporated in the 2000s.
The LA constitution allowed the parish to block further incorporation until the new one from the 1970s made it unconstitutional to cap the number of incorporated areas in a parish.
It was originally intended so that Scotlandville could incorporate but, instead, was ignored until Central incorporated in the 2000s.
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