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re: Looking At College Student Loan Debt, Is It Time To Reduce Credit Hour Minimums?
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:43 pm to TU Rob
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:43 pm to TU Rob
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All of those require school past an undergrad degree.
False. Not sure it's worth reading the rest of your post when you start off with something wrong.
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Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:43 pm to Sao
They need to stop backing any non-STEM student loans IMO.
History is great, but we don't need more historians. The ones that can pay their way without loans are plenty.
History is great, but we don't need more historians. The ones that can pay their way without loans are plenty.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:43 pm to TU Rob
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And as far as Doctors and Lawyers, they all have to pass some sort of test as well. The purpose of the graduate degree programs is specific training to their career. Undergrad needs to stay as a well rounded 4 year degree. The smart people choose business, engineering, science, etc. We still need Archery, Anthropology, and underwater basket weaving to keep these "student" athletes eligible so we can enjoy our "amateur" college sports.
Being an attorney is a 4 year "undergrad" degree in most of the civilized world.
It's annoying as shite when they transfer to your law school to get their LLM before you've even completed your JD.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:44 pm to LNCHBOX
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I'd like a link to where I said that.
I don't think I'm alone that your elective in college was to learn how to be a purposefully contrarian dick. I don't play the usual LNCHBOX game. We're all mature enough to know precisely what this thread entails and your derailment is, as always, comedy distraction.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:44 pm to lsufan112001
quote:Depends on what you are going to school for. There is no way you can compare an associates in CS to a bachelors in CS, MIS, CIT or any other computer based degree. I think what most should do is go to juco first, get the associates for cheap, and then go on to a University to get the 4 year degree if they choose to. Also, the job market is about supply and demand too. There are greater demands for certain things in today's economic climate.
Trade school is kicking colleges arse. For the people I know that have gotten jobs.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:44 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Plumbers and mechanics make 100k while CPAs are making 45k!
45k was roughly my starting salary, right out of grad school, at a large local CPA firm, 13 years ago. I sure hope it is higher these days than that.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:44 pm to LNCHBOX
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Check back with that CPA is about 5 years
Which is the point of getting a college or professional degree. Upward mobility. Unless you own your own business, you'll always be a welder or plumber working for someone else.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:45 pm to Sao
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I don't play the usual LNCHBOX game
I love this cop out. I believe it roughly translates to "I don't have shite to say that will actually refute you, so time for a personal attack."
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:45 pm to LNCHBOX
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College isn't trade school.
Then it shouldn't be subsidized the way it is. Colleges and universities can't have it both ways. If their mission is divorced from preparing their students to enter the workforce, than their funding and the subsidization of their loans should be re-evaluated.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:46 pm to LNCHBOX
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I love this cop out. I believe it roughly translates to "I don't have shite to say that will actually refute you, so time for a personal attack."
Again, this isn't about a link to you. The topic isn't about you. Dick hobby somewhere else.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:47 pm to therick711
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Then it shouldn't be subsidized the way it is. Colleges and universities can't have it both ways. If their mission is divorced from preparing their students to enter the workforce, than their funding and the subsidization of their loans should be re-evaluated.
Government backed funding for college absolutely needs to be overhauled. Can't imagine too many people would disagree with that.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:47 pm to Sao
I look back over my education and realize there was an incredible amount of overlap. I wasted so many hours in college repeating the same courses I had in high school. Then the same in professional school. I'd guess by eliminating the overlap I could have shortened 10 years into 7 maximum.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:47 pm to Sao
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Again, this isn't about a link to you. The topic isn't about you. Dick hobby somewhere else.
Thanks for further proving my point.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:48 pm to TheCaterpillar
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They need to stop backing any non-STEM student loans IMO.
this board's boner for STEM is funny.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:48 pm to NIH
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Louisiana schools are pretty cheap relative to the national average and even they are $4-6000 a semester without TOPS(which will be gone soon anyway).
That's pretty interesting. When the State has to pay for some of its students to go to college, the price of attendance doesn't rise as rapidly. It's almost like a market effect.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:49 pm to Sao
Cut out the mindless electives. I got a business degree and took the following that all counted towards graduating
Beginning Badminton 1
Nutrition for sports and health 3
Beginning golf 1
Sociology 3
Music Lecture 3
Police and Society 3
Criminology 3
Physics and Human Affairs 3
Geology (including lab) 4
Family Science 3
I could go on and on, but that's 27 hours of complete nonsense that was just to get out of the gened requirements.
at an average of $275/credit hour, that's $7425 of complete senseless bullshite.
Beginning Badminton 1
Nutrition for sports and health 3
Beginning golf 1
Sociology 3
Music Lecture 3
Police and Society 3
Criminology 3
Physics and Human Affairs 3
Geology (including lab) 4
Family Science 3
I could go on and on, but that's 27 hours of complete nonsense that was just to get out of the gened requirements.
at an average of $275/credit hour, that's $7425 of complete senseless bullshite.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:50 pm to LNCHBOX
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False. Not sure it's worth reading the rest of your post when you start off with something wrong.
I outlined the CPA requirements.
As far as the bar, it is up to each state. But most require at least a JD from an Accredited law school.
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In most situations, earn a Juris Doctor from a law school approved by that state (often, but not always,[3] this means accredited by the American Bar Association) (indeed, in certain states, e.g., Arizona, one may not actually take the bar exam unless one's law school is ABA accredited, and this requirement has withstood constitutional attack); or, where permitted, participate in an approved Law Clerk program ("reading the law").
Doctors:
LINK
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:51 pm to YumYum Sauce
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Cut out the mindless electives. I got a business degree and took the following that all counted towards graduating
Beginning Badminton 1
Nutrition for sports and health 3
Beginning golf 1
Sociology 3
Music Lecture 3
Police and Society 3
Criminology 3
Physics and Human Affairs 3
Geology (including lab) 4
Family Science 3
I could go on and on, but that's 27 hours of complete nonsense that was just to get out of the gened requirements.
at an average of $275/credit hour, that's $7425 of complete senseless bullshite.
You picked those electives. You likely had access to more applicable electives, but chose the easy ones. That's a you problem.
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:52 pm to LNCHBOX
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Government backed funding for college absolutely needs to be overhauled. Can't imagine too many people would disagree with that.
Government - we need to prepare students for the jobs of tomorrow in our colleges and universities
Business- we need college graduates to fill the jobs of today and tomorrow and will make selection dependent on completion of college programs regardless of job type.
Local Communities - we want a highly educated young tax base of college graduates with jobs
Universities - We aren't a trade school. It's about the pursuit of learning for its own sake. But, by all means, give us your money.
Looks like everyone's on the same page
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:53 pm to Sao
It's time for something to be done about the price of books at Universities. Who all gets paid in this deal? Do Universities get kickbacks for requiring this book be used? The professor? I kept most of my technical books after college and still refer to them 20 years late at times. I don't think I could afford to have kept them at today's prices.
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