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re: Longest range EV will end up being a full sized pickup truck: 450 miles
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:36 pm to billjamin
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:36 pm to billjamin
Wife's Benz GL450 was bricked by a damn thunderstorm. Totaled. Full payout. Towed from my yard. Not a scratch on it. Like 50k miles, a few years old.
Full size trucks are way too suburbanite over priced and over computerized even at the lowest level.
The intentional push across the entire industry is to price out the common man except for usurious loans on an unrepairable disposable commodity.
EV's are a major jump forward in this robber baron government initiative.
I don't know what berries makes you think things are all just clean and fine.
Sometimes the current state is actually bullshite and maybe you or Korkstand are on some reddit futurism shite
The Jetsons still aren't coming
Full size trucks are way too suburbanite over priced and over computerized even at the lowest level.
The intentional push across the entire industry is to price out the common man except for usurious loans on an unrepairable disposable commodity.
EV's are a major jump forward in this robber baron government initiative.
I don't know what berries makes you think things are all just clean and fine.
Sometimes the current state is actually bullshite and maybe you or Korkstand are on some reddit futurism shite
The Jetsons still aren't coming
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:39 pm to Korkstand
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If you buy a shitty appliance that doesn't last, that's on you. You can buy quality if you want to.
Ok I draw the line at saying modern appliances don't suck
Your average person can't go buy appliances equivalent in quality and longevity for the same prices they could even 25 years ago. Energy star, globalization and regulations killed all of that.
The oven in my house is from 1975. Still works like a tank. You cant even find a boutique brand like that anymore. The ones at Home Depot you'll be lucky to get 10 years out of.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:42 pm to Gaggle
I’ve spent the last 5 years with one of the ten largest private fleets in the reporting up to me. Before that 3 different oil and gas company fleets. I live in this data and report it to a fortune 100 BOD. Anecdotes are anecdotes. That’s all they all. Fleet cost per mile is decreasing. End of story.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:44 pm to billjamin
I started this comparing 1984 to today and talking about individual workman trucks. You're talking about the last five years and wholesale corporate fleet. Yeah.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:46 pm to Gaggle
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I started this comparing 1984 to today and talking about individual workman trucks. You're talking about the last five years and wholesale corporate fleet. Yeah.
Maybe you missed the part where I have 50 years of capex and R&M data.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:56 pm to billjamin
And you can't dispute the median income versus truck price from a Google search 
Lowest end new F-150 $38k versus $72k median salary. 53%
Lowest end new F-150 $7k brand new versus $24k median salary. 29%
Let's say reliability really does make up for that whopping inflation. You've still priced out the working man up front or much more so forced him into a high rate loan robbing him further.
The good news is a 10 year old F-150 with 200k miles is basically considered a piece of shite and you can get one for around $10k. The same price range as an old 80s or 90s with 200k miles. They look to be depreciating faster
Lowest end new F-150 $38k versus $72k median salary. 53%
Lowest end new F-150 $7k brand new versus $24k median salary. 29%
Let's say reliability really does make up for that whopping inflation. You've still priced out the working man up front or much more so forced him into a high rate loan robbing him further.
The good news is a 10 year old F-150 with 200k miles is basically considered a piece of shite and you can get one for around $10k. The same price range as an old 80s or 90s with 200k miles. They look to be depreciating faster
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:03 pm to Gaggle
Believed what you want. That’s fine. It’s not correct and it’s ok to piss and moan about all the things that have driven up vehicle prices (CoC, safety, emissions) but that doesn’t make anything else you said right. And certainly doesn’t make them less reliable.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:07 pm to dewster
Chevy refuses to give up on the Avalanche.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:08 pm to billjamin
quote:You should be aware and keep in mind that Gaggle believes the earth is flat.
billjamin
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:09 pm to Korkstand
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You should be aware and keep in mind that Gaggle believes the earth is flat.
Yeah I know that. And I’m not proud of myself for chasing this rabbit
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:17 pm to billjamin
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Something we have zero infrastructure for seems like an odd choice.
Would require modifications but could use the same plants and current vehicles can be modified for the switch. Every O&G and Engine company has been either doing heavy R&D into it, or outsourcing to mechanical and chemical engineer firms for it, the past few years. I will not say how I know but I know for a fact that a certain very popular diesel motor manufacturer that is an OTbaw favorite is already prototyping and has 18 wheeler engines running on hydrogen in early development.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:18 pm to Shexter
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Let's take towing off the table since most towing is less than a hundred miles anyway.
Not in the western states.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:20 pm to BorrisMart
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Would require modifications but could use the same plants and current vehicles can be modified for the switch. Every O&G and Engine company has been either doing heavy R&D into it, or outsourcing to mechanical and chemical engineer firms for it, the past few years. I will not say how I know but I know for a fact that a certain very popular diesel motor manufacturer that is an OTbaw favorite is already prototyping and has 18 wheeler engines running on hydrogen in early development.
Our existing infrastructure cannot be modified to accommodate hydrogen. No matter what anyone tells you about HDPE, the fusing processes are so incredibly lacking that a switch to hydrogen will blow up so many houses that it’s not even worth talking about. It’s literally starting from scratch.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:24 pm to billjamin
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Our existing infrastructure cannot be modified to accommodate hydrogen.
What happened to E85?
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:26 pm to BorrisMart
quote:Why would we use hydrogen in ICEs when fuel cells can extract twice as much energy from the hydrogen?
Hydrogen is the future for ICE's.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:27 pm to Cosmo
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Range while towing your boat…50 miles
Time to full charge on supercharger…30 minutes
Don't get one if you dont want one. Damn.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:29 pm to dewster
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My gas truck gets about half the mileage and thus half the range while towing. That wasn’t on the sticker. I had no expectation that mileage or range wouldn’t be impacted when towing a trailer. Because adding several tons of weight behind a vehicle and expecting it to behave the same is not reasonable.
My truck has around 100k miles and about 1/3 of those are towing a trailer. We've road tripped to about 30 of the 50 states with this vehicle. My normal mileage highway and city averages between 15-16 mph and drops to between 10-12 when towing our 7k-8k lbs travel trailer. I've also towed much smaller uhaul type trailers with hardly any weight. What I've found is that speed and grade are much more impactful on mileage than weight. That being said with a 38 gallon fuel tank, I can still go close to 400 miles on a fuel stop even while towing.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:31 pm to bad93ex
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What happened to E85?
Not really relevant considering the storage and transportation constraints and how hard it is to get E as someone who has a car that runs on E in the 4th largest city in the US.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:35 pm to billjamin
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Not really relevant considering the storage and transportation constraints and how hard it is to get E as someone who has a car that runs on E in the 4th largest city in the US.
Is E85 harder to obtain than a supercharger station?
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:41 pm to bad93ex
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Is E85 harder to obtain than a supercharger station?
About the same. Also, ethanol has an awful return on energy. An electric car so much more efficient compared to E that it’s a fools errand to pursue.
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