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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:42 pm to Korkstand
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Do you think that maybe a lot of them have more modern engines and such in them helping them to last longer?
In Cuba? frick no.
You speak like someone who has never had to maintain an older vehicle.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:43 pm to Korkstand
quote:No a steel body is better than plastic
Materials quality is better today
quote:Cheaper with lower quality workers
manufacturing tolerances are tighter,
quote:Where are you seeing this every bit of data that tells you these falsehoods you believe? Just go out in the world and see that older appliances run longer and had a longer lifespan
You believe a falsehood (actually you seem to believe many falsehoods). Every bit of data shows that today's vehicles are more reliable. It's not even a question, and it's not even close.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:44 pm to Gaggle
quote:Yeah dumbass, a lot of people knew how to work on vehicles because they broke down so fricking much. Not as big an issue today.
You had to know how to work on an engine and maintain. Which a lot more people knew
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:44 pm to billjamin
quote:The full size work truck does not exist anymore as demonstrated.
Did you seriously just compare a King Ranch to a work truck?
It's not for the working class.
The thing you think is a modern work truck is closer to a King Ranch than a work truck.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:45 pm to Korkstand
No dumbass because they've put it all on wire and require their electronic equipment and dealer repair or you void the warranty
Farmers are now literally hacking their own tractors so they can simply repair them like the always have
Farmers are now literally hacking their own tractors so they can simply repair them like the always have
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:50 pm to bad93ex
quote:You're telling me they're running 70 year old engines in Cuba?
In Cuba? frick no.
quote:I don't think you're picking up what I'm saying. When you buy a replacement part for a truck made decades ago, the part you buy wasn't also made decades ago. It was made recently, with better materials and processes.
You speak like someone who has never had to maintain an older vehicle.
So when you say that those old trucks were more reliable, but that all the parts that were prone to failure have since been replaced with higher quality parts, you're not making the point you think you are.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:53 pm to Gaggle
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The full size work truck does not exist anymore as demonstrated. It's not for the working class. The thing you think is a modern work truck is closer to a King Ranch than a work truck.
You’re only brining emotions to this. Nothing practical. I’m content to let you continue to believe whatever you do because it’s obviously deeply ingrained.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:54 pm to Gaggle
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dealer repair or you void the warranty
This is actually illegal. Just fyi.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:57 pm to Korkstand
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You're telling me they're running 70 year old engines in Cuba?
What do you think it takes to keep a small block running?
So the point you’re trying to make is that the old vehicles are still running today is because the replacement parts are made better than when they were originally manufactured?
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:00 pm to Gaggle
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The full size work truck does not exist anymore as demonstrated.
It's not for the working class.
The thing you think is a modern work truck is closer to a King Ranch than a work truck.
They still make them but they are 40k now. Same truck would have been 26k 6 years ago.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:00 pm to Gaggle
quote:How so? A steel body can rust, and the added weight is more of a burden on the engine and drivetrain.
No a steel body is better than plastic
quote:Cheaper due to improved processes, and just how much impact do you think the worker has on the quality of parts the machines spit out?
Cheaper with lower quality workers
quote:The poster you have been talking to, the one who buys hundreds of vehicles at a time, is telling you that the data says newer vehicles are more reliable. Just look for charts of the average age of vehicles on the road by year. Cars are lasting longer and longer. It's just a fact.
Where are you seeing this every bit of data that tells you these falsehoods you believe?
quote:Where are you finding all these old appliances? If you do find one, this is again an example of survivorship bias. There had to be millions of washers and dryers made in the 80s right? Where are they? 99% are trashed, and you're here pointing at the last remaining ones talking about how reliable they are.
Just go out in the world and see that older appliances run longer and had a longer lifespan
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:01 pm to bad93ex
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So the point you’re trying to make is that the old vehicles are still running today is because the replacement parts are made better than when they were originally manufactured?
They are. Pistons are made a hell of a lot better than they used to be. Machining tolerances from your local machine bro are way better than even manufacturers had when they were originally made. Oil technology is orders of magnitude better. Updating to a hydraulic roller vs flat tappet, better pushrods and valves, starters, fuel pumps. I can keep going. It’s all better.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:02 pm to Gaggle
quote:Not true.
No dumbass because they've put it all on wire and require their electronic equipment and dealer repair or you void the warranty
quote:This is a bullshite practice (by john deere right?) and I will fight against it right alongside you. But that is a different topic altogether.
Farmers are now literally hacking their own tractors so they can simply repair them like the always have
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:04 pm to Korkstand
The F-350 XL designed for work has manual front rotor locks. You have to get out of the truck and turn the knob on the front two rims to lock in 4WD. Everyone with 4x4 knows how much more reliable a mechanical lever is than electronic, but you don't have much choice anymore on the consumer side. I guess they decided only contractors of major fleets would actually call them out on it. Mechanical windows are required in certain hazardous materials trucks for safety reasons, more reliable than electronic. A diagnostic CPU constantly running manifesting in a possible "check engine" light has never helped anyone. Your trucks are jammed with less reliable more expensive electronics and you don't have another option.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:11 pm to bad93ex
quote:One from the 50s? Many hours of labor and many new parts.
What do you think it takes to keep a small block running?
quote:Yeah. Does that not make sense, or is it not a valid point? From design improvements of things like pumps to the quality of gasket materials to the machine tolerances of moving parts down to the quality of alloys. All have improved and all make a vehicle more reliable.
So the point you’re trying to make is that the old vehicles are still running today is because the replacement parts are made better than when they were originally manufactured?
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:17 pm to Korkstand
That advances in material technology do not make up for the overcomputerization, planned obsolescence and intentional disposability. They don't want them to last. They want you buying a new one every few years at least. They're designed to fall apart. And all these 2020s will fall apart quicker or have a totaling malfunction quicker. How often do you upgrade your computer or phone. At a certain point you don't have a choice. That's the material, plastic and silicon that's encasing and running that engine. We've allowed them to increasingly override the power of replaceable parts.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:23 pm to Gaggle
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That advances in material technology do not make up for the overcomputerization, planned obsolescence and intentional disposability. They don't want them to last. They want you buying a new one every few years at least. They're designed to fall apart. And all these 2020s will fall apart quicker or have a totaling malfunction quicker.
Stop man. This is so fricking wrong I’m not going to waste the time in pointing out how wrong it is. Your caught up in the member berries.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:27 pm to fallguy_1978
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They still make them but they are 40k now. Same truck would have been 26k 6 years ago.
Insanity. $40K for a bare bones F-150 XL. My biggest concern about an EV truck is once the warranty is up, that battery is going to cost a small fortune to replace if trouble arises. I’d feel better about looking into one, only if charging stations would be more readily available for a road-trip, it’s risky not having that all planned out. I like the concept, but personally I wouldn’t purchase an EV truck just quite yet.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 10:27 pm to Gaggle
quote:Obviously planned obsolescence is a thing in some industries, but the automotive industry is not one of them.
That advances in material technology do not make up for the overcomputerization, planned obsolescence and intentional disposability. They don't want them to last. They want you buying a new one every few years at least. They're designed to fall apart. And all these 2020s will fall apart quicker or have a totaling malfunction quicker. How often do you upgrade your computer or phone. At a certain point you don't have a choice. That's the material, plastic and silicon that's encasing and running that engine. We've allowed them to increasingly override the power of replaceable parts.
And planned obsolescence only comes about when consumers consistently choose those products. We don't care about computers or phones lasting longer because we want new ones anyway. Why would they build them to last longer than that when the parts inside can't do what we want them to do anymore? If you buy a shitty appliance that doesn't last, that's on you. You can buy quality if you want to.
A higher percentage of 2020s vehicles will be on the road in the 2060s than the percentage of 1980s vehicles still on the road today. And they'll have more miles on them and more original parts in them.
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