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re: Longest range EV will end up being a full sized pickup truck: 450 miles
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:01 pm to Gaggle
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:01 pm to Gaggle
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It's his entire salary. It used to be one fourth his salary. The reason the new trucks on the road aren't being worked is because the individual workman who actually needs it is priced out. He has no choice but to buy keep the old POS
You’re exaggerating to try and make a point that’s just not there. Vehicles are more expensive now. But they’re also more reliable. Cost per mile of useful life has steadily decreased.
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:05 pm to billjamin
There's no stretch at all. A blue collar worker or low paid farmhand, who needs a truck for his work, could afford a brand new full sized truck in 1984. He has zero chance now. I don't really believe they're more reliable now with the extra layer of electronics on top of everything mechanical but definitely not enough to make that difference
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:08 pm to Strannix
quote:Considering that something north of 80% of EV charging happens at home, at night, and at slow rates, it's a lot closer to running light bulbs than you think it is.
Imagine being this clueless about load, transformers and distribution, you are an idiot. Tell me how fast charging a Tesla compares to running light bulbs, no one can be this stupid.
And more and more superchargers are being built with on-site battery storage, so fast-charging isn't pulling straight from the grid. Given that the batteries are grid-connected and some have solar panels, they can help support the grid rather than drag it down.
I believe I know more about the grid and electricity in general than you know about... anything.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:12 pm to Gaggle
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I don't really believe they're more reliable now with the extra layer of electronics on top of everything mechanical but definitely not enough to make that difference
You can not believe it but it’s true, but it js. They last longer and have lower R&M expense. The drivers for fleet costs are insurance and fuel.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:13 pm to Odysseus32
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The issue right now is the ability to for a suburban dad to be able to load up his fat family into one of these oversized trucks and haul a camper 2-3 states away to a tourist trap.
I would say people who tow things long distances just wouldn't be in the market. I bet a lot of people who don't tow things beyond luggage would consider getting into a pickup for the first time, though.
Also, regarding the charging, I assume you can do it like many people do gas on long trips and top it off on stops rather than let it drain to "empty?" Or does it not work like that?
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:15 pm to dewster
Get this garbage out of here
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:16 pm to billjamin
It's just a whole different mindset from the companies and consumers. They've successfully made them luxury family vehicles and disposable. Used electronics to take repair out of your hands so you can't do as much yourself. To say they're more reliable is wild. I still see those boxy 80s-90s trucks driving around and doing work. They're all over cars.com too. Meanwhile you're ordering a new fleet every few years and it's laughable to imagine trying to keep them running and working til the 2060s
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:19 pm to Gaggle
quote:Manufacturing tolerances have increased longevity by a lot, but the electronics have also made vehicles more reliable. Yes, electronics do add more complexity that could potentially fail, but automotive electronics are far more reliable than regular consumer shite and they absolutely help to protect and prolong the life of the mechanical stuff.
I don't really believe they're more reliable now with the extra layer of electronics on top of everything mechanical
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:22 pm to Gaggle
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It's just a whole different mindset from the companies and consumers. They've successfully made them luxury family vehicles and disposable. Used electronics to take repair out of your hands so you can't do as much yourself. To say they're more reliable is wild. I still see those boxy 80s-90s trucks driving around and doing work. They're all over cars.com too. Meanwhile you're ordering a new fleet every few years and it's laughable to imagine trying to keep them running and working til the 2060s
Idk what to tell you. It’s just true. I have data from 50 years of my former companies fleet through last December. Cost per mile is down steadily and that’s true for every fleet around. It’s because vehicles are more reliable, break less, are safer, and last a lot longer. I worry more about someone totaling one then I do it failing.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:23 pm to Korkstand
quote:what is regular consumer shite? Every vehicle has been electronic for decades. You can only compare them to old mechanical vehicles. And trucks are like literally every other mechanical appliance prior to computerization, they used to last much longer. Part of the reason being repair was a real industry and partially because they were simply made better.
but automotive electronics are far more reliable than regular consumer shite
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:24 pm to Gaggle
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they used to last much longer.
No they didn’t.
Do you really think a mid 80s tbi small block is more reliable than a modern truck engine?
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:26 pm to Gaggle
quote:1. This is survivorship bias. Your sample is the lucky ones, the top 1-2% that made it this long.
I still see those boxy 80s-90s trucks driving around and doing work.
2. Those trucks have likely been worked on so much that they might be less than 50% original.
quote:Didn't he say they're putting over 200k miles on them? And guaranteed a lot of those trucks will still be on the road in 2060 and some dipshit will think 2020s model vehicles are more reliable than 2060s ones.
Meanwhile you're ordering a new fleet every few years and it's laughable to imagine trying to keep them running and working til the 2060s
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:27 pm to billjamin
They did though, like everything else.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:28 pm to Korkstand
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Those trucks have likely been worked on so much that they might be less than 50% original.
No shite, Sherlock. What 20+ year old vehicle hasn’t been worked on, they’re running vehicles from the 50s in Cuba.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:28 pm to Gaggle
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They did though, like everything else.
Come on man, seriously no they didn’t.
I’d like to point out I own a 1991 F250. It’s a raging piece of shite with 23k original miles on it and never runs. I end up just cruising around the ranch in me Lexus because it’s way better off-road and never breaks.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:34 pm to Gaggle
quote:Phones, laptops, routers, etc. shite designed to be obsolete in 5 years.
what is regular consumer shite?
quote:Yeah that's probably why you still see a few trucks from the 80s and 90s.
Every vehicle has been electronic for decades.
quote:Not true.
And trucks are like literally every other mechanical appliance prior to computerization, they used to last much longer.
quote:Not true.
they were simply made better
Materials quality is better today, manufacturing tolerances are tighter, lubricants are better, and electronics monitor almost every system to keep things working right. You believe a falsehood (actually you seem to believe many falsehoods). Every bit of data shows that today's vehicles are more reliable. It's not even a question, and it's not even close.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:36 pm to billjamin
You had to know how to work on an engine and maintain. Which a lot more people knew and had access to without the computer. It doesn't matter, they know no one is putting the King Ranch to work so it doesn't matter if the engine can take it or the plastic body chips off or that nice plush leather interior fricking disintegrates within 10 years. They'll just buy a new one. Like I said it's a whole different attitude
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:38 pm to Gaggle
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You had to know how to work on an engine and maintain. Which a lot more people knew and had access to without the computer. It doesn't matter, they know no one is putting the King Ranch to work so it doesn't matter if the engine can take it or the plastic body chips off or that nice plush leather interior fricking disintegrates within 10 years. They'll just buy a new one. Like I said it's a whole different attitude
Did you seriously just compare a King Ranch to a work truck?
If that’s your benchmark take it up with all the bro dozer drivers pumping up the prices for their Uber luxury F Baw fitty.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:41 pm to bad93ex
quote:The point, sir, is how can you say that they were more reliable if they've had a bunch of parts swapped?
No shite, Sherlock. What 20+ year old vehicle hasn’t been worked on, they’re running vehicles from the 50s in Cuba.
How many of those 50s model vehicles do you think have original engines? Do you think that maybe a lot of them have more modern engines and such in them helping them to last longer?
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