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re: Lets talk abuse of maternity leave

Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:52 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:52 pm to
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My place of business offers chicks 2 months paid maternity leave. At least once a year one of these women gives their notice the day they return from maternity leave. Basically they took 2 months of free money knowing they never really plan on working again.


You're going to have to take the good with the bad unless you hire better.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:56 pm to
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Yeah it does. We've got a guy in my office that is away on military leave (so obviously we are holding his job for him). He'll be gone a grand total of 14 months. I just KNOW that he'll come back for a week or 2 and decide he wants to pursue something else and put in his notice.


Should treat both your guys temp replacement and ALL maternity leavers temp replacements the same: in training for transition to FT employee. Knowing that these people do this all the time, plan appropriately. Be sure any temps hired/contracted to "fill in temporarily" are worthy of being replacements for the "on leave" persons.

It's what I do when in management in these situations. Get rid of the temps if they are not able replacements, as that's what they will turn out to be. Just never, ever, say it out loud to anyone! Don't even tell your bosses that you think like this, even if they ask. Verbally say No while shaking head "yes", with a wink.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:56 pm to
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Not to mention, a lot of these women probably do intend to come back to work but then reality sets in when they are getting no sleep and doing nothing but trying to keep this newborn baby alive. Can't blame them for deciding to not come back or to take an extended break before re-entering the work force.


Exactly.

If you're upfront about being unsure of your plans once maternity leave runs out, some companies might let you go on the front end.

As someone else mentioned, the better policy is to allow some sort of security for those who are honest upfront. The employee and the company both benefit.
Posted by Num1TigerSpam
Member since Mar 2018
245 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:56 pm to
It's not any different than them beginning working there later than they had and returning for more time.

Giving birth is a pretty big deal, it's not uncommon to have to make changes. Mother's hormones can be all over the place and some newborns require more attentive care
Posted by Cotten
Tennessee
Member since Jan 2018
1878 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:57 pm to
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What she did was tell her boss about month 6 of the pregnancy she wasn't coming back. That gave her boss time to hire someone and have my wife spend time training her so when my wife left,there was no floundering around and start up time. Company modified the position where if you basically leveled with everyone up front,you'd still get your two months.


How does that stop someone from doing exactly what the OP stated? You can give the company a heads up as a courtesy but in a work at will state it’s not at all required. That policy sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen when someone doesn’t get their paid time off.
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65494 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:59 pm to
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Yeah it does. We've got a guy in my office that is away on military leave (so obviously we are holding his job for him). He'll be gone a grand total of 14 months. I just KNOW that he'll come back for a week or 2 and decide he wants to pursue something else and put in his notice.


The ONLY thing men who come home from deployment want is stability. We don't want to have to frick around looking for a job and shite. This dude ain't bailing on you.
Posted by YoungManOldMan
Member since Dec 2017
1882 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:00 pm to
You’ll never win this argument. I’m on your side but this is an emotional driven argument.
Posted by LewDawg
Member since May 2009
77734 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:02 pm to
Stop hating America, a-hole
Posted by HoustonChick86
Catalina Wine Mixer
Member since Dec 2009
59323 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:02 pm to
Some are probably just taking advantage of the system. Others probably fully intended to go back to work and then changed their mind once they started maternity leave and realized they'd prefer to be home with their child.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
99042 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:02 pm to
Paid maternity leave is bull shite anyway even if they don't leave after they come back
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
91107 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:07 pm to
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Stop hating America, a-hole




the problem is we don't have "temp workers", his duties got divvied up amongst the 2 other people at his position, of which I am 1. Oh btw, the other person that was splitting the duties left 2 weeks ago for a different city, so now I'm essentially doing the entirety of original dude's job plus my own. I'd like to pretend I'm superman but in reality he doesn't have a ton of stuff to do nor is it that hard.

My big gripe if things play out like they suspect is that we could have had a replacement doing this work this whole year where instead it's burdening the rest of our staff. But I'm really just venting here, as he hasn't actually quit yet so of course nothing can be done.
Posted by YoungManOldMan
Member since Dec 2017
1882 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:09 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 11:04 pm
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13640 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:14 pm to
Unfortunately some people will abuse the system. Companies could always state that back pay will be provided for the 2 or 3 months once the employee returns for a certain amount of time.

This is the issue with maternity leave in general. My wife got 12 weeks unpaid from her company, but her manager (also a woman) told some others in the office, wait and watch her not come back at all.

In Canada they get 6 months maternity leave paid by the government, although you cant take up to a year off. The problem there isn't the money (it's paid via your tax dollars that you previously put into the system basically). It's the fact that the company has to either split your duties among other employees waiting for you to come back, hire a temporary employee, or just eat a loss of certain tasks during that time. When a woman changes her mind about coming back whether she played the system knowingly or just decided after 3 months with the baby, she screws the company again, because now they have to either continue splitting the tasks or hire someone on short notice and lose efficiency for even longer.

At my work, I was unfortunate enough to just have my coworkers entire work load basically dumped on me, and even when she came back, she didn't take it back on until the next year, so I still had to work overloads for another 3 months.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:16 pm to
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Yeah it does. We've got a guy in my office that is away on military leave (so obviously we are holding his job for him). He'll be gone a grand total of 14 months. I just KNOW that he'll come back for a week or 2 and decide he wants to pursue something else and put in his notice.


Totally different. You're not paying him.

And he's fighting for our goddamn country. Have some respect.
Posted by BillBrosky
Your wife's back door
Member since Mar 2012
2732 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:17 pm to
meh, most women who come back aren't good workers anyway. Give 'em the two months and have them hit the road.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
20256 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:17 pm to
Don’t hate on their hustle. They figured out how to make it work for them.

I don’t blame them one bit
Posted by LewDawg
Member since May 2009
77734 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:20 pm to
I'll take his job
Posted by SouthTiger504
Member since Sep 2014
1163 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:26 pm to
Are you the one paying her?

If not, who gives a shite
Posted by drunkenpunkin
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
7662 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:46 pm to
It may not be planned. My maternity leave ended in March, and I am on unpaid leave until next month. The reality of leaving my preemie in the care of someone else gets heavier every day. I am going back to work regardless as my job has been very understanding and my hours have been changed from FT to PT, but I imagine some women choose not to return to work after the fact. If I had to go back FT, Idk that I could bring myself to do it, honestly.
Posted by Cotten
Tennessee
Member since Jan 2018
1878 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:51 pm to
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I got wind of it and thought for a moment about tanking her evaluation


This is blatant retaliation which is illegal. I see you were also uneducated enough to put it in writing for the world to see.
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