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re: Let's talk about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:15 pm to truetigerfan1975
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:15 pm to truetigerfan1975
Why not read about the rape of Nanking? Anything we did to the Japs is fine with me.
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:19 pm to asurob1
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The Japanese were as evil if not moreso then the Nazis.
Agree.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:21 pm to weptiger
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OP, while you are free to question the "morality" of dropping the bombs, I think to do so is misguided.
Of course it is. It's impossible to judge a WWII era world in 2015. Everything has changed.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:40 pm to kjntgr
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I have always had the opinion that the US should have demonstrated the power of the atomic bomb by dropping one in Tokyo Bay. If the Japs didn't capitulate at that time then let them have it.
We only had two bombs.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:45 pm to truetigerfan1975
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I just don't see how it is ever ok to do what we did to those citizens.
Those citizens would have died during an invasion anyway along with many others. It saved lives and was the lesser of two evils in the situation. How anyone can deny that it was the right call is beyond me.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:54 pm to voodoodawg
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The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.
Yet they didn't surrender after we dropped the first one, and had an attempted coup d'etat after the second one to keep fighting.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:57 pm to Polycarp
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Why not read about the rape of Nanking? Anything we did to the Japs is fine with me.
Exactly. It's estimated up to 300,000 innocent civilians were murdered in the most brutal and sadistic manner possible. Want to show some outrage? Be outraged over this....
And I'm not even going to post the pictures of what they did to the women and children of Nanking.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:59 pm to truetigerfan1975
This is an automated response that I was programmed to give, by the American public school system, to any person who questions the actions of the American military. I like to think that I came to this conclusion after much reasoned introspection, but I'm actually just regurgitating the same answers that my teachers and parents fed me for two decades.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:02 pm to Blue Velvet
I've been to the A-bomb museum in Hiroshima, saddest part is that most of the people killed weren't japanese, but Koreans that the japanese had basically enslaved to work in the factories there.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:20 pm to Darth_Vader
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And I'm not even going to post the pictures of what they did to the women and children of Nanking.
yup.
Bunch of naive motherfrickers commenting in this thread.
The Japanese would have never surrendered sans the atom bombs.
They were preparing defense brigades of their civilians armed with bamboo spears. who were suppose to storm the beaches when we began landing. Not one more American life was worth saving the Japanese from themselves.
It never ceases to amaze me how little people really know or comprehend history.
Two Allied prisoners pack their meager belongings, after being freed near Yokohama, Japan, on September 11, 1945, by men of the U.S. Navy.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:24 pm to JL
It is impossible to know how things would have turned out if the US had not bombed Japan.
Some sources say they were willing to fight to the end, others that they had actually extended multiple overtures for surrender.
Some say it was necessary, others that it was completely unnecessary and basically served as a warning to the soviets.
Lots of terrible stuff happened in WWII. The Holocaust and the Rape of Nanking were probably the worst.
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Some sources say they were willing to fight to the end, others that they had actually extended multiple overtures for surrender.
Some say it was necessary, others that it was completely unnecessary and basically served as a warning to the soviets.
Lots of terrible stuff happened in WWII. The Holocaust and the Rape of Nanking were probably the worst.
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:41 pm to Darth_Vader
Yep, a lot of people don't know the monstrous acts commited by the Japanese on the Chinese. They were monsters and got what they deserved.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:57 pm to truetigerfan1975
Was it morally ok for the Japs to attack Pearl Harbor?
They started it, we ended it.
They started it, we ended it.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:11 pm to truetigerfan1975
Either a shite ton of Japanese were going to die or a shite Ron of Americans were I choose them everytime. Btw they starts the fire with Pearl Harbor. Plus a ground war thorough we would have inevitably won we would have lost close to a million soldiers.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:28 pm to Darth_Vader
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1. The number of Japanese killed in both bombings was a drop in the bucket compared to how many would have died in and extended American invasion/blockade.
2. Add in on top of that the number of American lives saved by ending the war without an invasion.
If this is not enough to make you see the logic behind why the use of A-Bombs to end the war was the right choice then I can't help you.
Now get back in the kitchen and fix your husband a samwich....
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:56 pm to truetigerfan1975
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No matter how many estimated lives I hear we supposedly saved or claims that it was necessary to end the war, I just don't see how it is ever ok to do what we did to those citizens. If you haven't ever looked at the pictures or read about the decades of suffering by those in the area, I encourage you to take a look before making up your mind
The Emperor likely would have compelled most of those citizens to commit mass suicide anyway, at least the ones who weren't dieing on the beaches with knives and spears fighting an invading American force.
I'm glad the US and Japan have gone on to have a happy relationship, but if there was ever a race that deserved to be removed from the face of the earth, it was the Japanese.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:59 pm to truetigerfan1975
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.....but I would rather hear from the OT on this.
Give me your coordinates and you can hear, taste, feel from the OT on this.
OP: "War is all hell."
Posted on 12/3/14 at 7:03 pm to truetigerfan1975
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Please abstain from any racist comments or religious remarks. I'd like to see this thread play out.
lol
Posted on 12/3/14 at 7:07 pm to truetigerfan1975
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But at the end of the day I always find myself leaning more towards the opposition. No matter how many estimated lives I hear we supposedly saved or claims that it was necessary to end the war, I just don't see how it is ever ok to do what we did to those citizens.
Contrast the nuke bombs with the firebombing of Tokyo by conventional bombs in 1945 that rendered between 100k - 125k deaths! That did not convince them to surrender. That number did not include casualties that survived. These people were essentially burned to death.
Add to this that the Allies firebombed Dresden and Hamburg as well. The nukes were simply more efficient machines for what was going on anyway. It is extremely difficult for us in this world today to put ourselves in the minds of the citizens of WWII.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 7:17 pm to truetigerfan1975
Unit 713 is all that needs to be said.
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