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re: Let's talk about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:37 pm to MMauler
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:37 pm to MMauler
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There's no doubt in my mind that it saved my grandfather's life -- and the lives of many OT poster's fathers, grandfathers and greatgrandfathers.
This. My grandfather was a torpedo pilot, he was hit by a kamikaze, picked up by a Japanese fishing boat and turned over to the Japanese military. He was a POW for two years and was still a POW when the bombs were dropped, you cannot begin to imagine the atrocities committed against the POWs by the Japanese. Talk to someone who was a POW in Japan if you don't think they deserved it
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:43 pm to Kashmir
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so you think he would have sent his forces thousands of miles to the east, helped with an invasion, and just left after it was over?
Again - awfully sticky, but hard to bitch about something you insisted he do - and particularly when the timing is awfully inconvenient.
Theories abound that our rush to deploy both bombs was to end the war so that Soviet intervention wouldn't be necessary and keep him out of more of Asia. Yet other theories suggest, with some support, that the real effect of the bombs was to scare Stalin as a prologue to what obviously became the Cold War.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:45 pm to LSUBoo
General (and later president) Dwight Eisenhower – then Supreme Commander of all Allied Forces, and the officer who created most of America’s WWII military plans for Europe and Japan – said:
The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.
I was quoting...you didn't read properly I suppose.
We dropped them to show Russia we had the technology.
The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.
I was quoting...you didn't read properly I suppose.
We dropped them to show Russia we had the technology.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:45 pm to truetigerfan1975
Tough shite. Japan should have left us the frick alone.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:46 pm to truetigerfan1975
And the OP is an anonymous pussy whose likely a regular poster here just to stir shite up and never come back.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:54 pm to truetigerfan1975
Let's play reducto absurdum.
So there's a meteor headed towards Earth that will wipe out all of humanity, but the only way to stop it is to kill 1 million people?
Would you do it?
Plus, the Japanese suck and still look at their war criminals as heros.
So there's a meteor headed towards Earth that will wipe out all of humanity, but the only way to stop it is to kill 1 million people?
Would you do it?
Plus, the Japanese suck and still look at their war criminals as heros.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:59 pm to truetigerfan1975
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No matter how many estimated lives I hear we supposedly saved or claims that it was necessary to end the war, I just don't see how it is ever ok to do what we did to those citizens.
Firebombing of Tokyo was much worse.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 2:00 pm to truetigerfan1975
Considering that we are the only nation on Earth who has had the balls to actually go through with it, I'd say that plays a major role into the fact that we are still the dominant world superpower.
Although China is knocking our heels a bit as of lately
Although China is knocking our heels a bit as of lately
Posted on 12/3/14 at 2:43 pm to truetigerfan1975
So, you've been studying this safe & sound in your home, approximately 75 yrs removed from all the emotions that existed in America at that time. There are Army vets, old timers that they are now, who still hate the Japanese, my 2 uncles being among that group. Do you feel as sorry & compassionate for the 100000's killed, mutilated, raped in what is called the Rape of Nanking? How bout those Americans killed in the Batan Death March? How about those Americans used as medical guina pigs for horrid medical experiments? Read up on the 1000's of Americans who died in Japanese prisoner of war camps. Read up on how the Japanese Army behaved in the Pacific island campaigns? How about what happened at Pearl Harbor? At that time in America, England, Australia, the Japanese were hated. Much rather have my 2 uncles alive and well, along with up to the estimated 1M other American soldiers it was estimated would have been killed absent the use of the bombs.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 2:55 pm to voodoodawg
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General (and later president) Dwight Eisenhower – then Supreme Commander of all Allied Forces, and the officer who created most of America’s WWII military plans for Europe and Japan – said:
The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.
If they were as ready to surrender as he and other apparently believed, then they would have done so after the 1st bomb was dropped.
I am thinking the General was wrong...
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:00 pm to klrstix
Also as a historical tid bit...
I knew someone that was a sailor on the USS Missouri.. He was on the ship and watched the signing of the papers for the surrender. When it was done, a big reception had been arranged in the ship and of course the Japanese delegation was to be a part of this event...
The Japanese delegation was reluctant to go to the reception because (as the US delegation later discovered..) they thought they were going to be executed.
I knew someone that was a sailor on the USS Missouri.. He was on the ship and watched the signing of the papers for the surrender. When it was done, a big reception had been arranged in the ship and of course the Japanese delegation was to be a part of this event...
The Japanese delegation was reluctant to go to the reception because (as the US delegation later discovered..) they thought they were going to be executed.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:01 pm to truetigerfan1975
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I just don't see how it is ever ok to do what we did to those citizens.
The American soldiers that would have died on those Japanese beaches were the children of innocent moms. Why should our innocents have to suffer?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:05 pm to voodoodawg
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General (and later president) Dwight Eisenhower – then Supreme Commander of all Allied Forces, and the officer who created most of America’s WWII military plans for Europe and Japan – said:
The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.
I was quoting...you didn't read properly I suppose.
We dropped them to show Russia we had the technology.
I read properly. None of that explains why we dropped two bombs. If they were ready to surrender, and we dropped it only to show Russia what we were capable of, why drop the second one?
Maybe it's because Eisenhower was wrong about them being ready to surrender?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:11 pm to LSUBoo
Here is what I do know. My father was a combat Marine in WWII and fought in several battles in the Pacific. As he said, if Truman had not dropped the bomb, he probably would not have made it home. His best childhood friend was captured and beheaded by the Japanese not too long before the bombs were dropped. My father never got over the loss of his friend nor the atrocities he witnessed by the Japanese. WWII was the last war the US of A fought like a war and without one hand tied behind her back. Korea, Viet Nam, the Gulf War, and whatever you call what we're in now..... we have tried to be politically correct rather than destroying the other side and their cause. The arse whipping we gave Japan and Germany in WWII seems to have worked. They are now our allies, so to speak. All the others still hate us and don't respect us.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:25 pm to klrstix
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The Japanese delegation was reluctant to go to the reception because (as the US delegation later discovered..) they thought they were going to be executed.
People think based upon what they would do. Bastards
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:29 pm to klrstix
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The Japanese delegation was reluctant to go to the reception because (as the US delegation later discovered..) they thought they were going to be executed.
They way they treated those they captured or conquered, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them. Unfortunately a lot of innocent Japanese suffered too.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:37 pm to truetigerfan1975
I tend to think that the dropping of the bombs had almost as much to do with the Soviet Union as it did with Japan. It is also hard to doubt the potentially millions of lives were saved by the swift end to the war.
Also, it is hard to argue about the morality of the bombing considering the pure terror that Japan unleashed on E. Asia.
Also, it is hard to argue about the morality of the bombing considering the pure terror that Japan unleashed on E. Asia.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:39 pm to GetCocky11
This has been a very good/informative thread. Thanks for the contributions. 
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:10 pm to LSUBoo
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I read properly. None of that explains why we dropped two bombs. If they were ready to surrender, and we dropped it only to show Russia what we were capable of, why drop the second one?
Because the enemy had not surrendered yet.
You use ever weapon in your arsenal to win war. When you don't you get wars like Vietnam and Korea where you let the bad guys hang around long enough that they can call it a win.
frick that.
The Japanese were as evil if not moreso then the Nazis. If you have any doubts about that read up on things like the Rape of Nanking. They Battle of Hong Kong. How they would bayonet prisoners in Burma not to kill them, but to cripple them to keep them alive to keep the meat fresh on their bodies.
Japan was an evil empire and had to be put down by any means necessary. Pussys like you think war is a game.
War is ugly and brutal and you piss stomp your enemies so they don't dare to frick with you.
It is the reason why the Soviets don't exist anymore.
Because they could never be sure what the Americans would do.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:15 pm to truetigerfan1975
Why do you hate 'Mericuh?
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