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re: Let Canada be a cautionary tale - Euthanasia edition
Posted on 4/16/26 at 7:49 pm to Klark Kent
Posted on 4/16/26 at 7:49 pm to Klark Kent
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There’s no evidence that Kiano Vafaeian previously attempted suicide.
He previously had applied for assisted suicide though. Which I think shows he was trying to die/kill himself.
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 7:53 pm to fightin tigers
That’s still a stretch of the truth. Seeking assisted suicide through a regulated process isn’t the same as attempting suicide. One is deliberative and system-driven; the other is typically impulsive. Again, my real issue is whether that system is influencing vulnerable people toward that outcome. In this case, it did.
How many other cases are like this?
(that we don’t know about)
How many cases in the future will be like this?
(that we will or won’t know about)
Will the current eligibility requirements be expanded in the future?
(it has already been expanded twice, third expansion aimed for 2027)
At what point are hospitals / doctors incentivized to ensure outcomes?
(i.e. procedural checkboxes rather than meaningful barriers)
Reality is: vulnerability + strained healthcare system + motivated influence don’t mix well.
How many other cases are like this?
(that we don’t know about)
How many cases in the future will be like this?
(that we will or won’t know about)
Will the current eligibility requirements be expanded in the future?
(it has already been expanded twice, third expansion aimed for 2027)
At what point are hospitals / doctors incentivized to ensure outcomes?
(i.e. procedural checkboxes rather than meaningful barriers)
Reality is: vulnerability + strained healthcare system + motivated influence don’t mix well.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:08 pm to Klark Kent
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i posted an example of exactly that above, it was ignored.
Only by those who are supportive of euthanasia and cover up the real details of what’s happening.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:13 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Did you know those Northern European scientists and doctors were in the US in the late 20’s working with doctors and scientists here on trying to answer questions about their plans using minorities and mental health patients to “help them come up with answers “
This happened primarily in the south, if that detail is important to you.
This happened primarily in the south, if that detail is important to you.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:22 pm to Snipe
If I could’ve killed my father without being prosecuted, I would’ve. He suffered, greatly. One of his observers wrote in his chart that he said “I am going to die today, I’m ready to die”. He coded and they brought him back and did a ton more shite for a month. He was in agony. He was 72 in awful health coming in.
It’s definitely not black and white, but I feel like human interpretation could lead to appropriate decisions 99.9% of the time.
It’s definitely not black and white, but I feel like human interpretation could lead to appropriate decisions 99.9% of the time.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:25 pm to Klark Kent
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Again, my real issue is whether that system is influencing vulnerable people toward that outcome. In this case, it did.
He sought out assisted suicide twice. They didn't come after him.
The MAiD system is set up to get people actual mental help unlike in the US where you just go out and take enough pills or suck start a shotgun. Or you just make it to the point where you have suffered long enough and hospice kills you with morphine in what is still assisted suicide.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:28 pm to fightin tigers
Just because he sought it out doesn’t mean there wasn’t influence. Systems don’t have to ‘go after’ people to guide them, especially when someone is vulnerable. And hospice care isn’t assisted suicide; the goal is comfort, not ending life. Conflating those weakens your argument.
again:
again:
quote:
Again, my real issue is whether that system is influencing vulnerable people toward that outcome. In this case, it did.
quote:
Reality is: vulnerability + strained healthcare system + motivated influence don’t mix well.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:34 pm to Klark Kent
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doesn’t mean there wasn’t influence.
Since he was turned down the first time I would say there was the exact opposite of influence.
quote:
the goal is comfort, not ending life
Comfort via pain killer overdose.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:39 pm to fightin tigers
Being turned down once doesn’t prove there was ‘no influence’; it just proves there were thresholds. People can still be guided over time, especially if the system keeps the option on the table. Influence isn’t a one-time yes/no switch.
And calling hospice ‘comfort via overdose’ is just flat wrong. The intent is symptom relief, not to cause death, even if death is a foreseeable outcome. That distinction matters legally, medically, and ethically. MAID is designed to end life. Hospice is designed to ease suffering. Pretending they’re the same is either confusion or …just convenience.
And calling hospice ‘comfort via overdose’ is just flat wrong. The intent is symptom relief, not to cause death, even if death is a foreseeable outcome. That distinction matters legally, medically, and ethically. MAID is designed to end life. Hospice is designed to ease suffering. Pretending they’re the same is either confusion or …just convenience.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:57 pm to fightin tigers
And taking every dime they have. I’d rather go out with dignity.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:58 pm to Snipe
Over a one year period in my small community, three elderly people with terminal, but slow progressing cancer committed suicide by handgun. They should have had the opportunity to take a pill and die with dignity. Now the person who found them will never get the image of a loved one's brains scattered around a room. Instead of telling grandkids that grandpa died peacefully in his sleep, you have to try to explain why grandma will never enter the house again.
It's crazy we keep elderly people barely alive for years. A person should be able to choose to go out on his/her own terms while he/she still has the cognitive ability to do so.
It's crazy we keep elderly people barely alive for years. A person should be able to choose to go out on his/her own terms while he/she still has the cognitive ability to do so.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 9:14 pm to One72
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You can come here for the same thing and don’t need a passport.
I didn’t realize that…good to know
Posted on 4/16/26 at 9:38 pm to fightin tigers
Exactly this. Hospice is assisted suicide in some ways. They don’t treat anything and pump with meds until one dies. And someone is making money.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 9:55 pm to riverparish
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I see (like a another posted said) some high school kid getting euthanized without their parents knowledge because they broke up with their boyfriend.
Now, come on, man….do you honestly believe this is what is going on? These are all scare tactics to push some political agenda.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 10:02 pm to Dixie2023
You have to have someone with a modicum of intelligence and compassion overseeing hospice care for your loved one.
If you're letting a hospice LPN make decisions, you need to grow a set and tske charge.
Talk to the doctor and do the right thing.
If you're letting a hospice LPN make decisions, you need to grow a set and tske charge.
Talk to the doctor and do the right thing.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 10:44 pm to fightin tigers
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Have not seen someone say they were talked into assisted suicide and didn't want to take part.
Well..............the dead tell no tales.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 10:49 pm to fightin tigers
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Jesus wasn't explicitly against suicide.
Even God seems alright with it
Philippians 1:23
You don't know God.
But you will one day.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 10:51 pm to greenbean
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They should have had the opportunity to take a pill and die with dignity. Now the person who found them will never get the image of a loved one's brains scattered around a room. Instead of telling grandkids that grandpa died peacefully in his sleep, you have to try to explain why grandma will never enter the house again.
Be careful, you are making too much logical sense for some of these religious types to process .
Yet one more reason why relgion does far more harm than it does good in the world .
Posted on 4/16/26 at 10:58 pm to Giantkiller
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Something has happened to us as a culture and I'm not sure I understand where/how/why the shift has occurred but it's devastating and hopefully reversible. Because if not, I don't know what the eventual endgame is.
Sure you do. You, just like me, don't like the answer.
Remember, God's final judgement on Sodom and Gomorrah was not just because of the evil they committed, including the mistreatment of the poor, weak and vulnerable, but because they eventually made it illegal NOT to. Imagine a world where the Government tells you to kick the beggar in the street and run him/her out of town and if you don't, you will be treated as such.
By most conservative estimates, the earth's population at the time of the Flood was somewhere in the vicinity of 8-9 Billion. The Earth's population today is closing in on that number rapidly. As it does, Evil will rapidly spread, just like it did back then.
Nice User Name.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:19 pm to Broke
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I am fully on board with someone deciding for themselves when they should leave this world
My thoughts on this exactly. No Need to suffer if you have made your peace and no need to be a burden to love ones. Dammit if I am ready let me die on my terms.
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