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re: Lesson from the confederate monument saga
Posted on 12/19/25 at 12:29 pm to jmarto1
Posted on 12/19/25 at 12:29 pm to jmarto1
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remember when Jackson square started getting talked about because he owneed slaves. Nevermind his contributions to the defense of the city and such. Obviously that was a statue that was not low hanging fruit but a lot of people were dealing in absolutes
They wanted to rename the school in Chalmette that stands a mile from the battlefield
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 12:33 pm to The Torch
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There's 100% chance that the criminals have no idea who any of the people were.
There were several statues that rioters destroyed who where abolitionists.
They literally destroyed memorials to people who helped free them.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 12:45 pm to T1gerNate
I have no problem with black communities not wanted to memorialize men who wanted to keep them slaves. I also reserve the right to criticize what replaces some artistically made statues.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 12:48 pm to T1gerNate
And what are those principles that are uniquely Southern and embodied in confederate statues?
Posted on 12/19/25 at 12:50 pm to T1gerNate
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Lee Circle in New Orleans is now an empty pedestal. Monument Avenue in Richmond, VA just has ghastly empty spaces where beautiful monuments used to be.
They replaced beautiful monuments to courage and tradition with emptiness because that is all they have to offer.
The South lost the civil war a thousand times in a thousand ways, but the principles the South stands for has never been and will never be defeated because they are eternal.
Those empty spaces speak far more about the greatness of the South than the monuments did.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 12:52 pm to Epaminondas
Truth is not racist, but denying the Truth is.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 12:56 pm to T1gerNate
Not sure how many times my brother and I rode our bikes around Beauregard Circle (by city park in Nola)
It looks like trash now
Plus, it was a way to teach history And. values - yes, Davis, Lee, Beauregard, etc were on the losing side but the monuments taught many, many lessons: be proud of your heritage, this is the USA - if there’s something you believe in fight for it, owning other humans is wrong, it’s ok to lose and still be proud, obedience, loyalty, and never trust Yankees
It looks like trash now
Plus, it was a way to teach history And. values - yes, Davis, Lee, Beauregard, etc were on the losing side but the monuments taught many, many lessons: be proud of your heritage, this is the USA - if there’s something you believe in fight for it, owning other humans is wrong, it’s ok to lose and still be proud, obedience, loyalty, and never trust Yankees
Posted on 12/19/25 at 1:37 pm to GRTiger
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200 years from now we'll have no history. Just statues of a bunch of women nobody ever heard of, wrote about, or cared about. And the goal of the current left will have been achieved.
A US city having a confederate statue is about the same as Paris having a statue of Hitler.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 1:48 pm to T1gerNate
I think the main lesson is that for the people driving the removal of statues, it will never be good enough for them.
"Don't worry guys, just give them the Confederate monuments, and they'll be satisfied and leave us alone." As they remove statues of Founding Fathers, take the names of American war heroes off of libraries, and try to force Zulu to stop using black face.
Removing Lee Circle wasn't enough. It was never going to be enough for the cultural Marxist busybodies and gay race communists.
"Don't worry guys, just give them the Confederate monuments, and they'll be satisfied and leave us alone." As they remove statues of Founding Fathers, take the names of American war heroes off of libraries, and try to force Zulu to stop using black face.
Removing Lee Circle wasn't enough. It was never going to be enough for the cultural Marxist busybodies and gay race communists.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 1:50 pm to Motownsix
quote:no it’s not - how can there even be a comparison?
A US city having a confederate statue is about the same as Paris having a statue of Hitler.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 1:52 pm to GRTiger
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200 years from now we'll have no history. Just statues of a bunch of women nobody ever heard of, wrote about, or cared about. And the goal of the current left will have been achieved.
This nation has had a long history of suppressing history while glorifying the confederacy. That is why you are not familiar of the people you speak of. The hypocrisy has to be given up at some point.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Some were built during the Civil Rights movement. But you're right - many were built earlier in a period when blacks were even more terrorized. And the point was to terrorize them. Just like the military bases - that was done under Woodrow Wilson in order to buy off Southern influence so they would be more likely to commit troops to WW1.
Very few of these monuments arrived out of the purity of pure remembrance.
Give me one example of a Confederate monument that was erected during the civil rights movement - one. Most Confederate monuments were erected by the United Daughters of the Confederacy.
Are you trolling or truly numbingly ignorant?
Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:11 pm to Missouri Waltz
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Give me one example of a Confederate monument that was erected during the civil rights movement -
The bulk of the carving was done between 1964 and 1970.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 2:15 pm to T1gerNate
Lee Circle is not really an empty pedestal. The last time I was in New Orleans I saw a homeless dude at the base of the pedestal with his pants at his ankles.
So we got that going for us.
So we got that going for us.
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:28 pm to T1gerNate
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the principles the South stands for
Slavery and white supremacy?
The saddest thing about the Confederacy was all the poor young men who died defending the ideals and property of rich slaveholders. Rich man’s war, poor man’s fight. Some parallels to today’s conservatives.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:32 pm to Mung
quote:so we like to pretend the Union was really concerned about black people like when Union General Davis let the freed slaves drown at Ebenezer Creek?
Slavery and white supremacy?
The civil war was about economics, just like any war
One of my ancestors arrived in NOLA from Ireland fleeing what remained after the Great Hunger in 1848 at the age of 8. He was conscripted into the confederate army in 1860 - I am not pro-confederacy by any means but to think the Union was free from the ideals of white supremacy is naive.
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:34 pm to c on z
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This nation has had a long history of suppressing history while glorifying the confederacy.
Alright, educate us with some suppressed history.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:42 pm to T1gerNate
I'm happy to say I've not been to N.O. since they took it down.
The reality is the whole thing was white progressives wanting to attack what they saw as one of the biggest symbols against modern leftwing ideas.
The reality is the whole thing was white progressives wanting to attack what they saw as one of the biggest symbols against modern leftwing ideas.
Posted on 12/19/25 at 3:55 pm to Wally Sparks
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The bulk of the carving was done between 1964 and 1970.
It took longer than expected.
In 1912 the carving existed only in the imagination of Mrs. C. Helen Plane, charter member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC). The Venable family, owners of the mountain, deeded the north face of the mountain to the UDC in 1916.
LINK
Posted on 12/19/25 at 4:02 pm to sta4ever
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“They’ll never be able to take away our racism!”
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sta4ever
Dumb af
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