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re: Lesson from the confederate monument saga

Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:55 am to
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:55 am to
Confederates were Democrats, remember?
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 9:56 am
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37097 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:56 am to
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The most important point from these debacles is the question we need to ask black Americans:

Now that the usual set of white virtue signaling trust fund radicals convinced you that these Confederate monuments were holding you back; after their removal, how has your life improved?


I mean, they would answer yes. I think their answer is retarded, but that doesn’t change what it would be
Posted by Epaminondas
The Boot
Member since Jul 2020
5784 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:56 am to
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I actually respect you not trying to be coy at all and just straight up saying you don’t like black people
I didn't say anything like that. Learn to read.

You're the one who said the blackest region of the country is generally the fattest and dumbest.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37097 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:57 am to
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I didn't say anything like that. Learn to read.

You're the one who said the blackest region of the country is generally the fattest and dumbest.


Now the mental gymnastics start, there you go baw
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
33074 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:57 am to
Like with most political things both extreme sides were off and the common sense approach was somewhere in the middle.

For example there was no reason for a Robert E. Lee statue somewhere like Dallas, Robert E. Lee never spent time in Dallas. I had no problem with common sense replacement of some of the statues, but some of them made sense where they were and getting rid of them was very dumb.

Whether we like history or not we shouldn’t try and erase it, but we also shouldn’t try and mold it into what we want it to be.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
92656 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:59 am to
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Sorry about your statutes though baw


Your side gained nothing in removing them.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37097 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:59 am to
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Whether we like history or not we shouldn’t try and erase it, but we also shouldn’t try and mold it into what we want it to be.


And they’re selling the wrong message anyway. I have a ton of respect for Lee for his values and the way he carried himself with dignity at the end of and after the war. He was a true warrior and had class.

But the message a lot of people want to send with the statues is “the south will rise again” shite instead of highlighting his honor and ability to reconcile back into a united nation.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37097 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:00 am to
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Your side gained nothing in removing them.


I think it’s insane they took them down
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
14140 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:05 am to
If we remove all statues, monuments, then erase it from the History Books, what will Liberals have to whine about. After a couple of generations it will have been forgotten.
We know the war wasn't fought about slavery. It was only the white wash to hide the real power grab.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
33074 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:05 am to
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And they’re selling the wrong message anyway. I have a ton of respect for Lee for his values and the way he carried himself with dignity at the end of and after the war. He was a true warrior and had class.

But the message a lot of people want to send with the statues is “the south will rise again” shite instead of highlighting his honor and ability to reconcile back into a united nation.


You nailed this. Lee was outspoken about the South rejoining the Union after the war and definitely would not have supported this “lost cause” narrative or the idea that “the South will rise again”. I seriously doubt he would support a lot of the things that people used his name to represent.

In fact I imagine if Robert E. Lee was around today people on the far right would label him a liberal
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
10888 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:27 am to
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beautiful monuments to courage and tradition
loser tradition
Posted by SludgeFactory
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Jun 2025
2377 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:47 am to
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You're the one who said the blackest region of the country is generally the fattest and dumbest.


He, in fact, did. In the post above yours, he also answers on behalf of black people too, just like a good progressive.

Posted by EmperorGout
I hate all of you.
Member since Feb 2008
11569 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:47 am to
Lee himself was opposed to such monuments and favored full re-integration into the union as soon as possible.

And most of the monuments weren’t built in the immediate aftermath of the war, but during the civil rights movement, when southern whites were livid that blacks were about to be allowed to vote.

Confederate nostalgia is apex loser behavior, then, now, and always
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 10:48 am
Posted by T1gerNate
Member since Feb 2020
2312 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:49 am to
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most of the monuments weren’t built in the immediate aftermath of the war, but during the civil rights movement,


Not that you care, but this is factually untrue. Most were built between 1880 (the end of reconstruction) and 1930.
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 10:51 am
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
14408 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:52 am to
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“They’ll never be able to take away our racism!”

This is ALL liberals see. They are obsessed with racism. These people think about racism more than the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. It's almost more important to them than oxygen.

I imagine there is a loop similar to this playing in their heads 24-7:
"Racism. Everyone else is racist. We must take a stand against racism. I bet he's a racist. I hope everyone knows I'm not a racist." Rinse. Repeat.

Posted by Tree_Fall
Member since Mar 2021
1090 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:53 am to
1st, 4th, and 5th Texas Infantry fought under Lee at Gettysburg with about a third killed, wounded or missing. Memorials were often promoted by UDC in honor of local units under his command.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288472 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:02 am to
If you’re thinking about this at 9am on a random, beautiful Friday, they’ve won.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37097 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:31 am to
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He, in fact, did. In the post above yours, he also answers on behalf of black people too, just like a good progressive.


I’m speaking for myself and never voted for a democrat in my life

I just think your point about this particular issue is retarded. But your reductionist logic is noted
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38513 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:56 am to
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