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re: Law School Advice
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:35 pm to TheOcean
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:35 pm to TheOcean
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TLS = if you aren't T14, don't waste your fricking time. Also, God help you if you go to a TT/TTT and post on TLS
Yeah
And here, it's basically "work as a plumber or plant operator." Considering the demographics of people applying to law school, I can't think of more useless advice, but I'm assuming it started because of a fairly decent contingent of OTers with a chip on their shoulder from not having degrees, who are more than happy blowing their paychecks every other week, when they walk in with their shitkickers into the Crazy Horse. And then it took off as an OT meme, so anything to do with law school is damn near unreadable I remember when Just Me and SFP were posting a lot, they would drown out those kinds of posts.
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:36 pm to SabiDojo
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And, as a lawyer, your mind is your money. People ALWAYS want free legal advice. They FB you, they ask you questions at parties. Do they want you to represent them? No. Do they want to pay you for your time? No. They want a freebie.
I love those pro bono commitment forms the LSBA sends out. I give out 10 hours of free advice each month minimum. I laugh at these pro bono referral services.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:36 pm to GaryMyMan
quote:Yep. And also no American Airlines, AT&T, Exxon, Texas Instruments, etc.
No Mark Cubans to represent in NOLA.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:36 pm to TheOcean
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Random ? for some of you lawyers. What % of lawyers actually litigate? I've heard it's a very small %.
I'm in litigation, but I'm a solo practitioner.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:36 pm to Keys Open Doors
i'd love to rotate between plant operator and lawyer every month
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:37 pm to rmc
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I love those pro bono commitment forms the LSBA sends out. I give out 10 hours of free advice each month minimum. I laugh at these pro bono referral services.
i try to represent one pro bono family law client at any given time, but i never track my billing
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:37 pm to LoveThatMoney
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3.45 GPA with a 167 LSAT.
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Try Texas. Seriously.
Couldn't hurt. I hope OP is a minority candidate with a lot of extracurricular activities.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:37 pm to SabiDojo
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This is true to a certain extent, but I think it's particularly bad in the legal profession because everyone thinks they know as much as a lawyer. Very few people question a doctor's judgment, but clients of lawyers are always calling you or emailing you saying shite like, "My buddy's neighbor's ex-girlfriend said that we don't need to do xyz."
And, as a lawyer, your mind is your money. People ALWAYS want free legal advice. They FB you, they ask you questions at parties. Do they want you to represent them? No. Do they want to pay you for your time? No. They want a freebie.
Not to mention that your clients, at least in litigation, hate you. You are nothing more than another drain on their bottom line. You are a necessary evil to keep them from potentially losing a bunch of money. You are a leech. If you kill it and the client wins, you hardly get a thank you. If you kill it and the client loses, you get another lawsuit, this time with you as a defendant. Litigation is ridiculous.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:38 pm to Keys Open Doors
Go to the school that offers a full ride, debt can be soul crushing after school as it varies on availability of good jobs post school, but don't go if you are not prepared for long hours of reading and writing, trial practice is only a small party
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i try to represent one pro bono family law client at any given time, but i never track my billing
I received a survey asking if I provided pro bono services and did I report those hours as required by Rule 6.1.
"Uhhhhhhhhhhh......"
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i try to represent one pro bono family law client at any given time, but i never track my billing
I'd lose my mind. If I do family law of any sort, I'm getting paid. Talk about thankless. I can't think of another area of law where the client usually hates their attorney.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:39 pm to TheOcean
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Random ? for some of you lawyers. What % of lawyers actually litigate? I've heard it's a very small %.
You may be confusing litigation and courtroom practice a little bit? A fair amount litigate, but most of us rarely leave the office (at least for court).
Anything on the transactional side is litigation free (or at least for you it probably is). Corporate formation, M&A, areas of securities law, areas of tax, etc.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:41 pm to rmc
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I'd lose my mind. If I do family law of any sort, I'm getting paid. Talk about thankless. I can't think of another area of law where the client usually hates their attorney.
No shite. You are a reminder of their pain and anguish. The cases are decent money, but damn.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:41 pm to SabiDojo
FWIW, even if you're not a minority, keep in mind that schools like UT and UGA take minority candidates that sometimes have competitive GPAs but baaaad LSATs. Thus, your LSAT is the advantage here. UGA needs to keep their 163/164 average more than their 3.7X incoming average, and that is tough to do admitting folks with 151s.
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3.45 GPA with a 167 LSAT.
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Try Texas. Seriously.
Couldn't hurt. I hope OP is a minority candidate with a lot of extracurricular activities.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:41 pm to TheOcean
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What are the best areas of practice for someone who wants to spend as little time as possible litigating?
Capital Markets, M&A, Finance, Tax structuring. Basically transactional work. Real Estate transactions, title work, estates, etc.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:41 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Not to mention that your clients, at least in litigation, hate you. You are nothing more than another drain on their bottom line. You are a necessary evil to keep them from potentially losing a bunch of money. You are a leech. If you kill it and the client wins, you hardly get a thank you. If you kill it and the client loses, you get another lawsuit, this time with you as a defendant. Litigation is ridiculous.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:42 pm to Keys Open Doors
Nailed it
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:43 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:Good Lord this is spot on. I sometimes have a more adversarial relationship with my clients than with opposing counsel.
Not to mention that your clients, at least in litigation, hate you. You are nothing more than another drain on their bottom line. You are a necessary evil to keep them from potentially losing a bunch of money. You are a leech. If you kill it and the client wins, you hardly get a thank you. If you kill it and the client loses, you get another lawsuit, this time with you as a defendant. Litigation is ridiculous.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:44 pm to Traffic Circle
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20-30% too low.
Hmm....seeing as the very top firms in Baton Rouge pay $90K, I believe, I don't see how people would take 75-80 hours/week jobs when they can work next door for 40 hours/week at 2/3 of the salary.
Now the Houston and Dallas firms like Baker Botts, I think they pay in the 140-160 range, so that I can see on rough weeks, but I don't see how any human being can regularly be expected to put in 90+ hours per week without having heart attacks at the rate of NFL coaches.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:48 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Hmm....seeing as the very top firms in Baton Rouge pay $90K, I believe, I don't see how people would take 75-80 hours/week jobs when they can work next door for 40 hours/week at 2/3 of the salary.
Now the Houston and Dallas firms like Baker Botts, I think they pay in the 140-160 range, so that I can see on rough weeks, but I don't see how any human being can regularly be expected to put in 90+ hours per week without having heart attacks at the rate of NFL coaches.
Baton Rouge is at $100k for top firms. The average week is between 40 and 50 hours.
Houston (including Baker Botts) is at $160k for top firms. The average week depends tremendously on what area of law you're in. Capital Markets folks work 70 hour weeks routinely, but their hours tend to fluctuate as the deals come and go. Specialists work less, but have a much more mentally difficult job. Tax deal work and Finance structuring is hard. Cap M is just a shitload of work.
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