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re: Law proposed to require unanimous decision for felonies
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:32 am to doubleb
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:32 am to doubleb
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It's worked for over 200 years
Really depends on your definition of "worked." If you mean we have achieved the highest incarceration rates in the world and still have rampant crime and innocent people rotting in jail...it is working great.
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Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:32 am to Wtodd
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Stop being a pussy and do you civic duties
It's bullshite that for me to vote they force me to take off work and listen to these criminals during jury duty when there are people that sit on welfare all day and have the same right to vote
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:33 am to SCLibertarian
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Protecting the integrity of the jury system
I think that went out the window a long time ago when plea deals were introduced.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:34 am to JamesLang
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and innocent people rotting in jail...it is working great.
There are very few innocent people in jail. Most of those guys have a rap sheet a mile long and it's no great leap of logic that they killed someone too. The only people in jail that are innocent are people that shot jodys because that shouldn't be a crime
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:35 am to JamesLang
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still have rampant crime
so you think the proof beyond a reasonable doubt standard is the reason we still have rampant crime?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:36 am to el Gaucho
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There are very few innocent people in jail.
False.
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Most of those guys have a rap sheet a mile long and it's no great leap of logic that they killed someone too.
Sheesh. Really?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:37 am to doubleb
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It's worked for over 200 years
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 10:40 am
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:38 am to JamesLang
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Really depends on your definition of "worked." If you mean we have achieved the highest incarceration rates in the world and still have rampant crime and innocent people rotting in jail...it is working great.
Show me something better, and I'll change my mind.
We have the highest incarceration work because we have the most freedoms.
Crime isn't rampant unless you consider the neighborhoods where the criminals live and then yes, it is rampant.
If you empty all the jails then we'd have no innocents 'rotting in jail". That would solve the problem, right?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:39 am to JamesLang
Even if they didn't murder that specific person or steal that specific car they're most likely guilty of something else that the cops haven't caught them for
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:39 am to Ash Williams
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so you think the proof beyond a reasonable doubt standard is the reason we still have rampant crime?
No. Not what I am saying at all. I am saying that making it easier to convict someone in LA than 48 other states hasn't exactly solved the woes everyone is lamenting in this thread.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:46 am to SCLibertarian
quote:So you're a defense lawyer?
I have experience with jury trials in criminal and civil court, but none serving as a juror.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:46 am to Areddishfish
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However, requiring unanimous agreement among jurors, in such a diverse demographic, is a dangerous precedent.
LULZ
holy shite
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:46 am to Areddishfish
i agree with you. one malcontent can control the room.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:50 am to AlceeFortier
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i agree with you. one malcontent can control the room.
that's the point
and a 11-1 doesn't mean acquittal. it just means a hung jury and the Defendant still faces prosecution
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:And more billable hours for attorneys, right? frick that shite.....
a hung jury and the Defendant still faces prosecution
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:54 am to SCLibertarian
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It is astonishing that a state would even think about incarcerating someone for the rest of his or her life when 2 jurors disagreed with the verdict.
What if they only disagree because they have something in common?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:54 am to LSURussian
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And more billable hours for attorneys, right? frick that shite....
Neither criminal defense attorneys or prosecutors bill by the hour.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:56 am to Powerman
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Louisiana with the highest incarceration rate in the country
And do you believe that's because people are being thrown in jail for no reason or that they are committing crimes?d
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:56 am to JamesLang
quote:So a defense attorney who has to go through 2 or 3 retrials only charges the defendant to represent him for one trial??
Neither criminal defense attorneys or prosecutors bill by the hour.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:56 am to LSURussian
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And more billable hours for attorneys, right? frick that shite.....
typically it's just handled by salaried attorneys (DAs and PDOs) and the cost doesn't increase. they're drawing salaries regardless
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