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re: Law Baws: firm, in-house or DA's office fresh out of school?

Posted on 3/18/25 at 11:50 am to
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19892 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 11:50 am to
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I call bullshite . Those numbers “an hour outside of Dallas “are beyond exaggerated for a solo family law practice.



I've known him since we were 10. We're like brothers, I've seen all the receipts and tax documents. he's legit.
Posted by Wavefan
St. Tammany
Member since Mar 2005
261 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 11:54 am to
A good strategy, but not the only one, is to take the job that you think gives you the most options to move to the other jobs. Generally, and it may vary from state to state and city to city, if you had good grades and honors such as law review or moot court, a job at a high quality firm with a good reputation that only hires top notch is a good starting point, and then you can move into the other positions from there whereas you might not be able to start at one of the others and then move into that job later. And high quality firms are not always the biggest. If your grades and honors were ho-hum, a path to maybe improving the odds of landing a quality job in private practice is to work for a DA or the US Attorney for a while, but this will likely position you solely for jobs as a litigator, and there are far more options than just courtrooms for lawyers. If you have connections back home that you are confident will give you the type of business you want and the type of money you need, and are sure you don't want to be a "big city" lawyer, like for example if you have kinfolk or close friends that can send you quality paying work right off the bat, then that may be your play, but it is far easier to start at a big corporate job or a quality firm and then move into the "hometown' lawyer role than vice-versa.
Posted by BamaChemE
Midland, TX
Member since Feb 2012
7482 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:02 pm to
Not a lawyer, but an OT relevant hypothetical…

If you became a judge and oversaw a high profile adoption case, would you share the details here?
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
87996 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:05 pm to
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I've seen all the receipts and tax documents.


kind of a weird thing for you brothers to be sharing, unless you're his CPA brother
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19892 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:08 pm to
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kind of a weird thing for you brothers to be sharing, unless you're his CPA brother



i know how much all 3 of my best friends make. i thought this was a common thing for friends to talk about.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464606 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:13 pm to
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Not a lawyer, but an OT relevant hypothetical…

If you became a judge and oversaw a high profile adoption case, would you share the details here?


Would you also accept campaign contributions from the owner of a company and then when that company had a jury verdict rendered against it in your court, reduce the verdict?
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 12:13 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464606 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:13 pm to
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I've known him since we were 10. We're like brothers, I've seen all the receipts and tax documents. he's legit.

How many associates does he have?

Does he work for the cartel?
Posted by threedog79
Member since Sep 2013
3659 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:15 pm to
DA office no doubt. You will get the court experience and learn trial advocacy. Been practicing 20 years. Started with a civil firm doing the trials and was the "criminal defense" division of the office and then hung my own shingle and have been doing criminal defense exclusively for 20 years.

You can always work backwards (start out doing courtroom work and go into an office)...in my opinion it would be harder to start in house and then transition to trial work.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
119397 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:24 pm to
Just admit you don’t really know how much your friend makes. You’re going to need to learn how to take Ls.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
49525 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:29 pm to
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i know how much all 3 of my best friends make. i thought this was a common thing for friends to talk about.

Of course it’s a common thing to talk about, but we don’t tell the truth dummy

I make more than your friend btw
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464606 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:30 pm to
It's literally basic math.

Hourly is suboptimal for many small firms and solos. I hate that the LASC makes every ethics ruling on fees based on outdated hourly mindset.
Posted by MattA
Member since Nov 2019
1981 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:42 pm to
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You can always work backwards (start out doing courtroom work and go into an office)...in my opinion it would be harder to start in house and then transition to trial work.


Agreed. Another good thing about working for the DA, well depending on caseload, is that you will become a legit problem solver. Your ability to cut to the chase and get shite done will improve dramatically. Either that or you won’t last too long
Posted by beachdude
FL
Member since Nov 2008
6280 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:11 pm to
I read this with some degree of interest. If you are best friends with the millionaire family law practitioner, why would he recommend you spend a couple years in a local DA’s office to learn how to (as you put it) “litigate”? Seems like you could just go straight into family law, learn the ropes, and make the money you’re seeking in his practice. Anyway, don’t ask for career advice on a message board. There’s more to the practice of law than money. Print a copy of your original post and store it away in your desk somewhere. Take it out 10 years from now, read it, and try not to be too embarrassed.
Posted by Jelleaux
Member since May 2010
814 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:25 pm to
It’s really not hard, if you have a pulse and a bit of discipline then you’ll pass.

I’d go for in-house. I do commercial litigation on the plaintiffs side and it’s such a retarded field (all of the law is). So much waste, so many self important pricks, so much bullshite.

Learn the law, but don’t get stuck practicing it. Use it to as a bonus, but I’d highly recommend not practicing forever (unless you actually like it—which takes a special type of person lol).
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84252 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:25 pm to
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Take it out 10 years from now, read it, and try not to be too embarrassed.


you mean when he’s running the legal department of an energy company making $300k?
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 2:26 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
87996 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:26 pm to
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ou mean when he’s running the legal department of a Fortune 100 company


yep

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$300k


pfft, he'll be paying his paralegal more than that
Posted by MattA
Member since Nov 2019
1981 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:28 pm to
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It’s really not hard, if you have a pulse and a bit of discipline then you’ll pass. I’d go for in-house.

I do commercial litigation on the plaintiffs side and it’s such a retarded field (all of the law is). So much waste, so many self important pricks, so much bullshite.

Learn the law, but don’t get stuck practicing it. Use it to as a bonus, but I’d highly recommend not practicing forever (unless you actually like it—which takes a special type of person lol)


Fantastic post.
Posted by BigFatPig
Member since Nov 2020
322 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:28 pm to
#3 is the ultimate goal IMHO.

I no longer practice but spent 15+ years as in-house counsel to a healthcare provider; best move I ever made. Regular hours, incredible benefits, great money and tons of family time, making the quality of life amazing.

Good luck.

Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
18942 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:29 pm to
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if Jasmine Crockett can pass the bar, I'm pretty sure I can, too.

Off-topic, but Jasmine Crockett isn't stupid. That hoodrat shite is just the character that she has to play to get elected in that district.
Posted by beachdude
FL
Member since Nov 2008
6280 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:30 pm to
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when he’s running the legal department…


Yes, after “shadowing” the senior and “busting a move” upon that individual’s retirement.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 2:33 pm
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