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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:03 pm to Lonnie Utah
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:03 pm to Lonnie Utah
Yep this is an example of the CIA being beneficial and showing their worth. They need to do more of this, training vulnerable countries to defend themselves from our mutual enemies.
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Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:11 pm to GREENHEAD22
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The world is destroying itself over a small regional conflict that would be over by now if it had been left alone.
1. How is the world destroying itself?
2. Appeasement didn't work in the 1930s and it won't work now. Maybe if Britain, France, and/or the USA had made sure the Czechs had enough weapons to fight off the Nazis WWII might not have happened.
3. This conflict would not be over for years regardless of outside involvement. The Ukrainian people hate the Russians and they would not just bend over and spread their butt cheeks to please Putin the way you have done.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:26 pm to Jim Rockford
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NEXTA @nexta_tv #Russia's only tank manufacturer, Uralvagonzavod, has stopped its production. The main reason for this is a lack of component parts.
Pro-Ukraine source so TIFWIW, but they're usually pretty accurate.
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Russia will launch in July the licensed production of thermal imagers developed by a French firm as part of efforts to gain access to advanced foreign technologies, a Russian daily said on Friday.
A plant in the city of Vologda in central Russia will assemble the Thales-developed Catherine FC thermal imaging cameras for T-90 tanks in service with the Russian army.
quote:LINK
According to experts, Russia is lagging 20-30 years behind the West in many areas of technological progress and is attempting to close the gap by purchasing production licenses abroad.
Russia has been using french optics to build it new tanks and modernize its old tanks. France has revoked the license and stopped all military shipments to Russia. That is just one example of foreign components used on Russian tanks. So it is not out of the realm of possibility that Russia does not have the capacity to make all the components it needs to make new tanks.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:26 pm to Lonnie Utah
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In my mind, this is exactly WHY we have an agency like the CIA....
The CIA was formed after WWII as communists were rising in parts of the world. At the time the CIA was composed of patriots who protected our capitalistic way of life. They were to identify enemies such as Lenin as they came out of obscurity to form large movements. The CIA didn't want to see many more of those who threatened our existence. It was thought that these obscure figures could capture minds and take off and we'd have a problem on our hands. At the time republicans and democrats were "normal" in wanting the best for America.
What the CIA is today, I don't know. They certainly aren't what I defined. They are political. They are as bad as the attorneys who are now graduating from Ivy League schools who want to shove aside the constitution.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:27 pm to lostinbr
Can we please, please ban OML from this thread. He is ruining it.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:36 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
You know the interworkings of the CIA? Do tell.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:39 pm to GREENHEAD22
quote:Would it be over for Moldova, too?
That's why it would be over by now. Once they punch Russia in the mouth they would have come to terms. If the US/EU weren't in Zs ear this would already be over.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:39 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Do we have any idea how Ukraine sets up their force? They were former soviet. Do they now have a structure similar to the west? Or are they going at it ad hoc? I suspect they have brave NCO types charged with taking the fight to the Russians?
NATO has been training NCOs and helping Ukraine organize it military since 2014 and allegedly been producing roughly 5000 NCOs per year since then. In addition to training its NCOs prior to the invasion NATO had helped Ukraine convert 75% of its army from conscripts to professional soldiers. Ukraine had gone all in on adopting the western model of a professional army instead of a conscript army. Ukraine was planning on ending conscription in 2024 and still maintain a force of 350,000 professional soldiers. So it is hard to say for sure but I would be willing to bet there is not much soviet style organization left in the Ukrainian armed forces.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:40 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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You know the interworkings of the CIA? Do tell.
No. I listened to either Rush or someone else describe in detail the reason for and beginnings of the CIA. They are supposed to protect us from foreign threats. They are to identify these threats early. I don't want to get into assassinations and regime change stuff. Are they in Ukraine? Maybe.
Somebody asked why we have a CIA. I gave a layman's answer.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 2:42 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Do we have any idea how Ukraine sets up their force? They were former soviet. Do they now have a structure similar to the west? Or are they going at it ad hoc? I suspect they have brave NCO types charged with taking the fight to the Russians?
Word is the CIA had been doing serious work in Ukraine helping them in the months leading up to the invasion. Sounds like the Ukrainians paid attention in school.....
Well if you had a much bigger neighbor with nukes threatening to cross your border, wouldn't you pay attention?
Posted on 3/22/22 at 3:07 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I don’t know how far back it goes, and why the Germans were different, but they pushed authority down to junior leaders.
Not certain about the evolution of NCOs but a well trained professional, general staff is Prussian.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 3:12 pm to WeeWee
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Putin’s highest-paid propagandist Vladimir Soloviev & his “experts” at Russia’s largest TV channel send new threats:
1. Nuclear strike against EU
2. Invasion of Poland and Lithuania
3. Creation of a permanent land-bridge from Belarus to Kaliningrad (attack on the Suwalki Gap). LINK
A bit dramatic on the take, but the video shows the guy basically saying if NATO has peace keepers than Warsaw will be ash. That they can take the Baltic states easier than Ukraine because "its a locL operation". Also states that they are making a land bridge to a Transnistria with taking over Ukraine. Worth a quick watch
Posted on 3/22/22 at 3:16 pm to StormyMcMan
start dropping JDAMs on the C2 elements on those stalled formations now! lol
Lets kill some ruskies
/Im kidding....a little
Lets kill some ruskies
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AFP News Agency
@AFP
#BREAKING Russia would only use nuclear weapons faced with 'existential threat', Kremlin says
/Im kidding....a little
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 3/22/22 at 3:18 pm to StormyMcMan
They are getting their teeth kicked in in Ukraine but they're just gonna roll on in to the Baltics and create their land corridor because, "why not?" 
Sure thing guy.
Sure thing guy.Posted on 3/22/22 at 3:20 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I don’t know how far back it goes, and why the Germans were different, but they pushed authority down to junior leaders.
Oh, I'm sure the story is more varied than I conveyed. But based on what we've heard or read there may be no greater example of the western model than how Ukraine is handling Russia. We've not seen Russia in action where we gave a shite than right now in Ukraine. We OT posters have no idea really how they handled warfare in Georgia, Chechnya or Syria. But we see some issues in Ukraine.
I'm sure all our military leaders know all this stuff.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 3:26 pm to IAmNERD
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They are getting their teeth kicked in in Ukraine but they're just gonna roll on in to the Baltics and create their land corridor because, "why not?" Sure thing guy.
It is nice to hear a semi-official Russian source confirm what we have all been saying was Russia's #2 military objective (the first was the land bridge to Crimea). However if Russia has any hope of accomplishing that objective then better do it soon before Poland starts taking delivery of the M1A2s and F35s that they have purchased from the USA, or rework its military. If Russia waits too long and doesn't fix its military then Poland won't even need Article V to destroy Russia's attacking force.
This post was edited on 3/22/22 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 3/22/22 at 3:31 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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We OT posters have no idea really how they handled warfare in Georgia, Chechnya or Syria.
I know in Grozny and Aleppo, they did the same thing they've done in Ukraine: surround the city with artillery and shell it into oblivion.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 3:46 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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We OT posters have no idea really how they handled warfare in Georgia, Chechnya or Syria. But we see some issues in Ukraine.
All three were very different.
They had almost no ground forces in Syria for example. It was a train and assist mission, with a heavy AirPower component.
They also leaned heavily in diplomacy, getting, probably to a degree bribing, rebels to defect back to the government.
In fairness, I guess they did that too in Chechnya.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 3:52 pm to Lima Whiskey
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They had almost no ground forces in Syria for example. It was a train and assist mission, with a heavy AirPower component
Rob Lee has been listing obituaries of Russian casualties. Quite a few of were reported to have served in Syria. So while the ground component may have been smaller,one was there.
Posted on 3/22/22 at 3:53 pm to Lima Whiskey
LINK
Article from an ap journalist who was in Mariupol for the first 20 days of the war. Pretty crazy stuff
Article from an ap journalist who was in Mariupol for the first 20 days of the war. Pretty crazy stuff
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