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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/12/22 at 5:44 pm to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 3/12/22 at 5:44 pm to LegendInMyMind
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what are we going to do about the missile strike on Erbil that is being attributed to Iran?
A desert nation bombed another desert nations' sand. Let them build sand coalitions and handle it themselves. There are plenty of countries over there with militaries.
We do not need to spend trillions to jump in every pissing contest of every drunk goat molesting society.
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 5:48 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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as long as they’re inside Ukrainian territory, why wouldn’t they be?
There are all manner of things happening in western Ukraine that Putin cant do a god damn thing about.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 5:59 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
It's Oliver Stone. I don't take anything he does seriously from a factual standpoint.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:08 pm to Bunk Moreland
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all the way down to Nuland calling neonazi violence "mostly peaceful" protests
Oh the fricking irony. Most of the fringe right said Charlottesville had zero to do with neo-Nazis, yet are now the loudest people beating the "Ukraine is full of neo-Nazis" drum.
ETA: This shite is why I don't post on the poliboard anymore. When they were calling out the progressive hypocritical bullshite, I was right there with them. Yet now the shoe is on the other foot, and they're defending the hypocritical bullshite just as hard as the worst left wing proggy piece of shite.
This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:19 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Ummm, as long as they’re inside Ukrainian territory, why wouldn’t they be?
Having started an unprovoked, aggressive war, nothing Russia hits in Ukraine is a legitimate military target . Russia is like the bully beating the shite out of a guy and hollering about being assaulted when somebody steps in.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:26 pm to Jim Rockford
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Having started an unprovoked, aggressive war, nothing Russia hits in Ukraine is a legitimate military target . Russia is like the bully beating the shite out of a guy and hollering about being assaulted when somebody steps in.
I’m not sure what your point is. Congrats on thinking the invasion was wrong I guess. Didn’t think that was something you’d need to vocalize.
Doesn’t change the fact that there is war in Ukraine and a convoy of supplies is a legitimate military target by even the most strict interpretations of the laws of war. And every single western power will agree and not do a damn thing about Russia attacking a convoy of trucks full of javelin missiles.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:35 pm to Jim Rockford
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Having started an unprovoked, aggressive war, nothing Russia hits in Ukraine is a legitimate military target . Russia is like the bully beating the shite out of a guy and hollering about being assaulted when somebody steps in.
You can't really get mad when a war starts and when you jump in giving logistical support you get treated like an enemy combatant. Keep it on the Polish (or elsewhere) side of the border, let Ukraine handle transport within the country, and you won't have an issue. Make yourself a target, don't be surprised if something takes a shot at you.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:40 pm to LegendInMyMind
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You can't really get mad when a war starts and when you jump in giving logistical support you get treated like an enemy combatant. Keep it on the Polish (or elsewhere) side of the border, let Ukraine handle transport within the country, and you won't have an issue. Make yourself a target, don't be surprised if something takes a shot at you.
I honestly thought Ukrainian truck drivers were taking over shipments right at the border crossing and carrying the freight themselves when on Ukrainian roads. That seems more reasonable than having truck drivers from NATO countries carrying the freight within Ukrainian borders.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:40 pm to Lakeboy7
Someone say CrossFit?... I'm bout to head over to the box for some C&J's and prolly DL AMRAP. You guys ready to be ripped come join me bro. Is CrossFit get pumped.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:40 pm to LegendInMyMind
I think some people are under the impression that there are US or western military convoys driving into Ukraine to deliver supplies. This isn’t the case and hasn’t been the case since the outset of the war. We’re dropping off piles of weapons on the polish and Romanian borders and Ukrainians are picking them up and driving them into Ukraine.
If a 3rd party like the US or any other country started driving their own trucks into Ukraine they would make themselves legitimate targets by every definition of the word and would be classified as combatants by every definition of the word.
If a 3rd party like the US or any other country started driving their own trucks into Ukraine they would make themselves legitimate targets by every definition of the word and would be classified as combatants by every definition of the word.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:43 pm to LegendInMyMind
I understand that. It's just ludicrous that Russia is acting like an aggrieved party.
Anyway, it's doubtful Russia has the surveillance assets to determine whether a truck carries missiles or humanitarian supplies. If they have the reach to consistently hit western Ukraine (also doubtful, the occasional missile attack notwithstanding) they'll just use the standard Russian MO of bombing everything indiscriminately.
Anyway, it's doubtful Russia has the surveillance assets to determine whether a truck carries missiles or humanitarian supplies. If they have the reach to consistently hit western Ukraine (also doubtful, the occasional missile attack notwithstanding) they'll just use the standard Russian MO of bombing everything indiscriminately.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:46 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:Why would they need to do this? The onus is on the humanitarian group to mark their vehicles in a sufficient manner so as to be obvious that they are the opposite of a military target.
Anyway, it's doubtful Russia has the surveillance assets to determine whether a truck carries missiles or humanitarian supplies.
Also, what the hell kind of assets do you think the rest of the world has that can tell what’s under the cover or a flatbed truck?
This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:46 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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If a 3rd party like the US or any other country started driving their own trucks into Ukraine they would make themselves legitimate targets by every definition of the word and would be classified as combatants by every definition of the word.
Yep, which is where that comment/statement from Russia was aimed.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:46 pm to Capt ST
As far as crops and nitrogen goes. Corn is super heavy on nitrogen needs. It would be easy for farmers to switch to wheat. I know if I was a farmer I'd be growing wheat this year.
This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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a convoy of supplies is a legitimate military targe
Absolutely agree.
My point is what are the Russians going to attack said convoy with? They are afraid (with good reason) to fly on the eastern side of the Dnieper because their antiquated "air force" is getting devastated by modern hand held stuff. There are much better interconnecting systems in the west that will shoot that junk out of the sky. All Ukrainian gear of course....
This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
What I always worried about was Putin ignoring the boundaries of established norms regarding neutrality and the shipment of arms supplies on the NATO side of the Ukrainian border as legitimate targets.
Would definitely be a conflict going on there as the West would probably draw a line in the sand and say “No, we are going to continue supplies shipments to the Ukrainian border.”
Would definitely be a conflict going on there as the West would probably draw a line in the sand and say “No, we are going to continue supplies shipments to the Ukrainian border.”
This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:49 pm to Lakeboy7
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My point is what are the Russians going to attack said convoy with? They are afraid (with good reason) to fly on the eastern side of the Dnieper because their antiquated "air force" is getting devastated by modern hand held stuff. There are much better interconnecting systems in the west that will shoot that junk out of the sky. All Ukrainian gear of course....
I mean I agree, in reality they’re probably not. At least not effectively.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:49 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Ummm, as long as they’re inside Ukrainian territory, why wouldn’t they be?
If that report is accurate, Russia said shipments to Ukraine, not in Ukraine, which at least implies a threat to widen the war outside Ukraine s borders. Does Russia consider a US cargo plane parked on a Polish airfield to be a legitimate target? That's one way to read the statement.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:51 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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You guys ready to be ripped come join me bro. Is CrossFit get pumped.
But your feeling on the media and "propaganda"? you owe it us to explain your position.
Posted on 3/12/22 at 6:52 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Would definitely be a conflict going on there as the West would probably draw a line in the sand and say “No, we are going to continue supplies shipments to the Ukrainian border.”
I’d be willing to bet my next paycheck that this conversation has already been had on the back channels. Putin is willing to turn a blind eye to javelins and stingers being trucked in and not expand the conflict outside of Ukraine’s borders.
Likewise, I suspect the reason that the MiG deal went down in flames (pun intended) was because he has made it known through the back channels that that is his red line.
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