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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/2/25 at 11:37 am to Chromdome35
Posted on 6/2/25 at 11:37 am to Chromdome35
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If the Ukrainian numbers (27 Tu-95, 4 Tu-160, 2 Tu-22) are correct:
According to the statements by Malyuk and other SBU sources, the Ukrainian numbers represent the number of aircraft that "were hit"; in other words either damaged or destroyed. As far as I can tell they have not mentioned the number of destroyed aircraft. Some media outlets have incorrectly interpreted "were hit" to mean destroyed (total loss).
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 11:44 am
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 11:47 am to Auburn1968
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Russians do appear to have a paranoid streak a mile wide and deep and once it is triggered it can gum up the works.
If you know much about Russian history, it makes sense.
But the irony is that historically their greatest enemy has been themselves
Posted on 6/2/25 at 11:55 am to VolSquatch
Details of the Meeting. Nothing shocking, same thing Russia has been saying for a while
"The Russian draft memorandum that was handed over to the Ukrainian delegation today has been published.
Russian demands for ending the war:
Ukraine must:
- legally recognize Crimea, DPR, LPR, Zapo and Kherson as Russian territory;
- observe complete military neutrality, not join any blocs;
- downsize the Ukrainian military, with limits both on personnel and weaponry;
- disband nationalist military and paramilitary units;
- give the Russian language official status and protect the “rights, liberties and interests” of the Russian population;
- outlaw all Nazi organizations;
- lift all restrictions on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
- lift all mutual sanctions
Russian demands for an immediate ceasefire:
Ukraine must:
- begin withdrawing its forces from Russian territory
- stop mobilization efforts and begin demobilization
- stop ALL foreign military aid
- remove all third country military personnel from its territory
- end martial law
- schedule parliamentary and presidential elections no later than 100 days after the end of martial law"
"The Russian draft memorandum that was handed over to the Ukrainian delegation today has been published.
Russian demands for ending the war:
Ukraine must:
- legally recognize Crimea, DPR, LPR, Zapo and Kherson as Russian territory;
- observe complete military neutrality, not join any blocs;
- downsize the Ukrainian military, with limits both on personnel and weaponry;
- disband nationalist military and paramilitary units;
- give the Russian language official status and protect the “rights, liberties and interests” of the Russian population;
- outlaw all Nazi organizations;
- lift all restrictions on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
- lift all mutual sanctions
Russian demands for an immediate ceasefire:
Ukraine must:
- begin withdrawing its forces from Russian territory
- stop mobilization efforts and begin demobilization
- stop ALL foreign military aid
- remove all third country military personnel from its territory
- end martial law
- schedule parliamentary and presidential elections no later than 100 days after the end of martial law"
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Posted on 6/2/25 at 12:41 pm to cypher
The Russian draft memorandum that was handed over to the Ukrainian delegation today has been published.
Russian demands for ending the war:
Ukraine must:
- legally recognize Crimea, DPR, LPR, Zapo and Kherson as Russian territory;
- observe complete military neutrality, not join any blocs;
- downsize the Ukrainian military, with limits both on personnel and weaponry;
- disband nationalist military and paramilitary units;
- give the Russian language official status and protect the “rights, liberties and interests” of the Russian population;
- outlaw all Nazi organizations;
- lift all restrictions on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
- lift all mutual sanctions
Russian demands for an immediate ceasefire:
Ukraine must:
- begin withdrawing its forces from Russian territory
- stop mobilization efforts and begin demobilization
- stop ALL foreign military aid
- remove all third country military personnel from its territory
- end martial law
- schedule parliamentary and presidential elections no later than 100 days after the end of martial law
frick a bunch of that bullshite.
Interesting... where are there Ukrainian forces in Russian territory? Kursk?
Russian demands for ending the war:
Ukraine must:
- legally recognize Crimea, DPR, LPR, Zapo and Kherson as Russian territory;
- observe complete military neutrality, not join any blocs;
- downsize the Ukrainian military, with limits both on personnel and weaponry;
- disband nationalist military and paramilitary units;
- give the Russian language official status and protect the “rights, liberties and interests” of the Russian population;
- outlaw all Nazi organizations;
- lift all restrictions on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
- lift all mutual sanctions
Russian demands for an immediate ceasefire:
Ukraine must:
- begin withdrawing its forces from Russian territory
- stop mobilization efforts and begin demobilization
- stop ALL foreign military aid
- remove all third country military personnel from its territory
- end martial law
- schedule parliamentary and presidential elections no later than 100 days after the end of martial law
frick a bunch of that bullshite.
quote:
- begin withdrawing its forces from Russian territory
Interesting... where are there Ukrainian forces in Russian territory? Kursk?
Posted on 6/2/25 at 12:48 pm to John Barron
WOW!!!! Russia gained .000743% of Ukraine in May!
Thats after only gaining 177 sq KM (.000293%) in April, a month where JB constantly told us how the Russians were making dramatic advances.
It is a 253% increase MoM.
Thats after only gaining 177 sq KM (.000293%) in April, a month where JB constantly told us how the Russians were making dramatic advances.
It is a 253% increase MoM.
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 6/2/25 at 12:49 pm to Lee B
quote:
Interesting... where are there Ukrainian forces in Russian territory? Kursk?
The annexed but not held territories. On a side note I officially annex Monoco.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 12:53 pm to John Barron
Apparently you're too dumb to know the difference between terms for peace and an unconditiional surrender demand.
Are you still claiming to be neutral in this Russian initiated war??
Are you still claiming to be neutral in this Russian initiated war??
Posted on 6/2/25 at 12:54 pm to Lee B
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Russian territory?
"DPR, LPR, Zapo and Kherson as Russian territory"
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:07 pm to John Barron
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:07 pm to dagrippa
I was going to post both sets of demands, but seeing as Russian Bot #5234 beat me to Russia's demands here are Ukraine's:
LINK
On an unrelated note:
quote:
Full version of Ukraine’s memorandum handed over to Russia
I. Key Principles of the Agreement and Negotiation Process
Full & unconditional ceasefire on land, sea, and air as a precondition for negotiations.
Confidence-building measures:
Return of deported Ukrainian children.
Exchange of all prisoners of war (“all for all”).
Release of all civilian hostages by Russia.
Non-repetition of aggression: Ensure lasting peace and security.
Security guarantees & international involvement: Invite international community to ensure implementation.
Sovereignty: Ukraine can choose its alliances (e.g., NATO), not obliged to remain neutral.
II. Next Step – Ceasefire & Leaders’ Meeting Agenda
Focus on:
Full & unconditional ceasefire terms and monitoring.
Confidence-building steps.
Structure of future leaders’ meetings.
Negotiations with U.S. and European participation.
III. Ceasefire
Duration: At least 30 days, extendable every 30 days.
Scope: Air, land, and sea.
Monitoring: Led by U.S., with third-country support.
IV. Confidence-Building Measures
After initial POW exchange, continue with full “all for all” exchange.
Return of deported/displaced children.
Release of all civilian hostages.
V. Leaders’ Meeting
Objective: Final peace agreement discussions.
Agenda Includes:
Full cessation of hostilities (conditions, monitoring, sanctions).
Security guarantees and prevention of future aggression.
Territorial issues.
Economic reconstruction and compensation.
Sanctions for violations.
Roadmap for peace agreement conclusion.
Additional Details
Territorial Issues:
Russia’s territorial gains since February 2014 not recognized.
Negotiations based on pre-2014 lines.
Territory talks only after full ceasefire.
Sanctions:
May be lifted gradually with “snapback” mechanism.
Russian assets remain frozen or used for Ukraine’s recovery until reparations are paid.
Implementation:
A clear and balanced roadmap for agreement enforcement is required.
LINK
On an unrelated note:
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:13 pm to Chromdome35
At that rate of advance, it will take Russia 89.7 years to take all of Ukraine.
The size of Ukraine is 603,550 sq km
Under Russian control = 120,000 sq km
Not under Russian Control = 483,559 sq km
483,559 sq km / 449 sq km = 1,076 months remaining to take all of Ukraine
1,076 months = 89.7 years.
According to your graph, Russia has taken 4,594 sq km since January 2024 for a monthly average of 270.23 sq km per month. At their average rate of gain, it will take 1,789.4 months or only 149 years.
4594 sq km = 1774 sq miles = a square 42.14 miles per side. This is about the size of the city of Dallas.
The size of Ukraine is 603,550 sq km
Under Russian control = 120,000 sq km
Not under Russian Control = 483,559 sq km
483,559 sq km / 449 sq km = 1,076 months remaining to take all of Ukraine
1,076 months = 89.7 years.
According to your graph, Russia has taken 4,594 sq km since January 2024 for a monthly average of 270.23 sq km per month. At their average rate of gain, it will take 1,789.4 months or only 149 years.
4594 sq km = 1774 sq miles = a square 42.14 miles per side. This is about the size of the city of Dallas.
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:21 pm to Chromdome35
Looks like they will just keep throwing bodies at the Ukraine Military and lobbing missiles and drones at their civilians. I'm guessing they are hunting Zelensky pretty hard too. Just keep going and take over Ukraine no matter what cost.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:23 pm to Chromdome35
Sorry buddy, but the rate is not increasing linearly, but exponentially.
Currently Russia is taking close to 1000 sq. km every month and that's only going to get worse as Ukro infantry is running dry and is comprised of lower quality of forced mobilized.
There won't be a Ukraine in 10 years if this continues. Land will be there, but few people.
Currently Russia is taking close to 1000 sq. km every month and that's only going to get worse as Ukro infantry is running dry and is comprised of lower quality of forced mobilized.
There won't be a Ukraine in 10 years if this continues. Land will be there, but few people.
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:27 pm to PoppedRiser
quote:
Currently Russia is taking close to 1000 sq. km every month
Not even close based on JB's data...where are you getting your data?
JB's graph
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:27 pm to LSURussian
quote:
Apparently you're too dumb to know the difference between terms for peace and an unconditiional surrender demand.
Are you still claiming to be neutral in this Russian initiated war??
Are you still pretending to be an American? You're about as American as Vindman twins.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:31 pm to Chromdome35
quote:
Thats after only gaining 177 sq KM (.000293%) in April, a month where JB constantly told us how the Russians were making dramatic advances.
It is a 253% increase MoM.
You're getting your data from some Ukrainian cope channels. It's more like 1000 sq.km/month now. And has been for some time.
In other words, Russia is gaining monthly what Ukros were able to capture in Kursk and hold for 8 months before losing it and they can't take anything since.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:34 pm to PoppedRiser
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You're getting your data from some Ukrainian cope channels. It's more like 1000 sq.km/month now. And has been for some time.
I'm getting my data from John Barron and the graph he posted about 6 or so posts back. Thats my only source of data.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:34 pm to VolSquatch
quote:
If you know much about Russian history, it makes sense.
But the irony is that historically their greatest enemy has been themselves
I know a fair amount of Russian history and have known several Russians. Fun to drink with if you avoid the rabbit holes.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:35 pm to Chromdome35
quote:
Not even close based on JB's data...where are you getting your data?
That's a Ukrainain nationalist channel. "Deep State" - aka Ukrianian propaganda.
I said you're getting your data out of Ukrainian's disinfo sources, and in fact you were.
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