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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/23/25 at 12:36 pm to AU86
Posted on 3/23/25 at 12:36 pm to AU86
quote:
It is amazing how wrong you Troskyites have been regarding this war and every aspect of it.
The most common theme I have observed in this thread is the following:
"Ukraine needs to surrender. The longer it keeps fighting the worst deal they will get from Russia. They rejected the best deal they will ever see in April of 2022. Soon they won't have a country or an army left. And Russia's terms get harsher every day."
That argument was made ad naseum. For the better part of two years.
Many of us -- me included -- rejected that premise. We felt like surrendering to Putin and taking the deal that was on the table (basically becoming Belarus with a Russian puppet regime and no functioning army, etc) would have been losing their country. We felt that it was in Ukraine's best interests to keep fighting. To lock in a stalemate. And to make Putin understand that he could never take the major cities or overthrow the government.
And that eventually Russia would get tired of this war and take a peace deal that guaranteed Ukrainian sovereignty.
And that looks exactly like what is about to happen. The deal didn't get worse for Ukraine. The deals being discussed now are much, much better than what was being discussed two years ago.
So what have we been "amazingly wrong about" and please list those things included in "every aspect of it".
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Posted on 3/23/25 at 1:12 pm to No Colors
A window into the intelligence of U.K. Soldiers 
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Posted on 3/23/25 at 1:45 pm to John Barron
James Scott the absolute cuck. Fired from his job to make way for foreign immigrants, so he goes to Ukraine to fight for the same globohomos who brought the immigrants into England and fired him.
Now scheduled (I said "scheduled" with a preposterous British accent btw) for 20 years harsh labour
Now scheduled (I said "scheduled" with a preposterous British accent btw) for 20 years harsh labour
This post was edited on 3/23/25 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 3/23/25 at 1:49 pm to cypher
weekly terrorism update...
Volodymyr Zelenskyy / ????????? ??????????
@ZelenskyyUa
Last night, Russia attacked Ukraine using nearly 150 strike drones. As of now, ten people are reported injured, including a child. In Kyiv, the attack claimed three lives, among them a father and his five-year-old daughter. Yesterday in Zaporizhzhia, three people were killed—a family: father, mother, and their 17-year-old daughter. My condolences to the families and loved ones.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy / ????????? ??????????
@ZelenskyyUa
Last night, Russia attacked Ukraine using nearly 150 strike drones. As of now, ten people are reported injured, including a child. In Kyiv, the attack claimed three lives, among them a father and his five-year-old daughter. Yesterday in Zaporizhzhia, three people were killed—a family: father, mother, and their 17-year-old daughter. My condolences to the families and loved ones.
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Posted on 3/23/25 at 2:00 pm to cypher
Posted on 3/23/25 at 2:12 pm to cypher
That penetration has made progress for at least three days now, but not as slow as Russia's progress in Ukraine.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 2:59 pm to John Barron
Posted on 3/23/25 at 3:31 pm to John Barron
Posted on 3/23/25 at 3:43 pm to cypher
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:25 pm to cypher
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:51 pm to John Barron
quote:
window into the intelligence of U.K. Soldiers
I assume you're implying that the average Russian soldier is more intelligent than the average UK soldier?
I guess you're adjusting for a few hundred thousand Hep C positive alcoholic criminals currently rotting in the no man's land of Russian mine fields in eastern Ukraine?
Because if they're dead, they can't really take an IQ test.
Would you prefer to do it by other metrics? Life expectancy? Literacy? Access to indoor plumbing? Number of teeth?
Do you have a link?
Posted on 3/23/25 at 8:17 pm to No Colors
The account named John Barron isn’t here to debate. It is here to spew twatter bullshite and do the Russki best to brainwash gullible Americans into believing their obvious lies. One football messageboard at a time.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 8:21 pm to Camp Randall
quote:
brainwash gullible Americans
80 posts a day. 7 days a week. 90% of his posts are linking Russian government sponsored Twitter accounts.
I wonder what that kind of job pays in Rubles? Or is it like some sort of humanoid AI bot or something? It's really hard to know. Probably a hybrid.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 9:26 pm to doubleb
quote:Leftists call everything they don't like a Nazi. The vatniks in this thread are a good example.
All this talk about Nazis is BS.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 9:28 pm to Camp Randall
quote:
The account named John Barron isn’t here to debate. It is here to spew twatter bullshite and do the Russki best to brainwash gullible Americans into believing their obvious lies. One football messageboard at a time.
It's a bot account.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 11:02 pm to No Colors
quote:
I arseume
That is your mistake. I don't speak or understand Russian so I can't make a judgment on a conversation in their language. I do understand English and those U.K. Soldiers sound like retards.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 5:49 am to No Colors
ISW Update March 23 2025
quote:
Key Takeaways:
US and Ukrainian officials are meeting in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia on the evening of March 23 to discuss the contours of the temporary moratorium on long-range strikes and a possible temporary maritime ceasefire in the Black Sea.
Unconfirmed reports suggest that there is tension between Russian Central Bank Chairperson Elvira Nabiullina and the Kremlin over Russia's high interest rate and wartime monetary policies.
Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Borova, and Russian forces recently advanced near Toretsk and Pokrovs
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:09 am to No Colors
quote:
Many of us -- me included -- rejected that premise. We felt like surrendering to Putin and taking the deal that was on the table (basically becoming Belarus with a Russian puppet regime and no functioning army, etc) would have been losing their country.
I've been told multiple times, pretty sure by you as well, that we don't know the actual parameters of a deal.
The 2022 leaked outline was far from a Belarus situation. That is what I was advocating for. If that wasn't the case, absolutely Ukraine should re-evaluate. But they can do it without billions of US Aid.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:13 am to No Colors
quote:
80 posts a day. 7 days a week. 90% of his posts are linking Russian government sponsored Twitter accounts.
Where is this energy for Cypher?
JB definitely seems like a bot not necessarily because of the frequency but the actual content... Meanwhile Cypher is even more obviously so, he just is on the "correct" side. Posting every war related article from 2 specific pro ukraine outlets both based in Ukraine every day for YEARS...... Does that not seem off to anyone else?
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:20 am to VolSquatch
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they can do it without billions of US Aid
Without the billions of US aid, they would be Belarus 2.0 already.
The deal that Putin insisted on was pretty simple. Replace the government with Pro Russian puppets. Reduce the Ukraine military to a shell with no western weapons. No defensive alliances, etc etc.
If you had a choice between that, and fighting. Why wouldn't you fight? I would. I think anyone would.
Putin paid people to tell him that the Ukrainians wouldn't fight. They were wrong. He was wrong. The most brutal foreign policy miscalculation of any head of state in the 21st century. An even bigger miscalculation than all the frick ups of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld put together.
Trump wants to get a deal that would put American business interests fully integrated into Ukraine's economy. And he's still funding the war and Ukraine's government. Don't pay attention to what he says. Pay attention to what he does.
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