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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:13 pm to LSUPilot07
Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:13 pm to LSUPilot07
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2nd I thought JD really torpedoed this meeting on purpose and I think that was over the top.
Some will disagree with me but I thought Vance was out of line jumping in the way he did. Much (and maybe all..) of what was said needed to be said but not in front of the cameras.
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Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:19 pm to texag7
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Supposedly there are thousands of new Russian babies in Eastern Ukraine. Those Ukrainian women have been banging Russian soldiers all the Ukrainian men either died or fled the country
You have a great sense of humor.
CBS News: Rape "happening systematically" in Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine, Ukrainian lawmaker Kira Rudyk says
Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:25 pm to John Barron
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Zelensky’s body language from the start was disrespectful.
He came into the meeting with the perspective that he is Trump's equal and Ukraine is level with the US on the world stage. I thought Trunp was trying to be diplomatic but when Vance started to push back, Trump wasn't going to let Vance get bullied and it just escalated from there.
Ukraine is not the US and Zelensky is certainly not Trump, neither personally nor in global stature.
As far as Vance goes, if Trump thought he was butting in or stepping over the line he would have cut Vance off. There's more mutual respect between the two of them than I would have thought 6 months ago.
I do think Vance's persistence with the "you never said thank you!" train of thought did feel a little immature.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:30 pm to Lee B
Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:30 pm to Lee B
Watch the whole interview linked below. Zelensky comes after Vance at 43:30. That was a bad miscalculation.
Vance responds and turns the heat up. Then he and Zelensky go at it for a moment.
Trump gets set off when Zelensky says that the US “will feel it” if the conflict isn’t resolved.
I think the whole thing boils down to a terrible idea to try and put Vance on the spot. Then it spiraled down from there because of the way Zelensky phrased some things - probably because of the language barrier.
I think Zelensky will come back with his hat in his hand to put this back together.
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Vance responds and turns the heat up. Then he and Zelensky go at it for a moment.
Trump gets set off when Zelensky says that the US “will feel it” if the conflict isn’t resolved.
I think the whole thing boils down to a terrible idea to try and put Vance on the spot. Then it spiraled down from there because of the way Zelensky phrased some things - probably because of the language barrier.
I think Zelensky will come back with his hat in his hand to put this back together.
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Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:30 pm to TigerFanatic99
IMO Zelenskyy was mainly trying to say that a ceasefire won't work without security guarantees, and Trump/Vance were basically saying the US has already given you so much we can't secure the ceasefire too. In doing so they were both talking past each other rather than too each other and it devolved into the shite show we all saw.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:31 pm to TigerFanatic99
Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:51 pm to ColtRange
JD Vance using the term “the opposition” to refer to . . . democrats . . . in a conversation about international affairs is the most telling part of the exchange.
The US won’t survive intact for long if administrations don’t pivot out of campaign mode when the ascend to being heads of state.
Obama and Biden didn’t govern different countries than Trump. One administration has to show some level of comity to the next for this whole thing we got going to continue.
The US won’t survive intact for long if administrations don’t pivot out of campaign mode when the ascend to being heads of state.
Obama and Biden didn’t govern different countries than Trump. One administration has to show some level of comity to the next for this whole thing we got going to continue.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 9:58 pm to ned nederlander
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:17 pm to John Barron
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STEPHEN MILLER.
frick that guy
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:30 pm to ned nederlander
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JD Vance using the term “the opposition” to refer to . . . democrats . . . in a conversation about international affairs is the most telling part of the exchange.
Zelensky got involved in our domestic politics and worse, he decided to back the losing candidate
That was pretty stupid
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:32 pm to LSUPilot07
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2nd I thought JD really torpedoed this meeting on purpose and I think that was over the top
Absurd take. JD Vance did marvelous. Will make a great President in 2028
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:42 pm to ridlejs
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Trump gets set off when Zelensky says that the US “will feel it” if the conflict isn’t resolved.
When Zelensky said that the the US would feel the influence even though it is separated by an ocean I think he was referring to the US having to fight if Putin attacked the Baltics or Poland because of Art. 5. That is how the US would feel the influence of the war.
When Vance brought up diplomacy to end the war or achieve a ceasefire Zekensky replied that diplomacy had been tried and Putin had violated the ceasefire many times. That was what he meant by a ceasefire wouldn't work without security guarantees. Zelensky was stating that was why Minsk failed because there were no security guarantees to Ukraine from France or Germany if Russia violated it.
Trump said that Putin would not violate a ceasefire now because he is in office and had never tried him before. Trump took it that Zelensky was against a ceasefire because he wants to continue fighting if he gets US security guarantees. He would use those guarantees to continue the war. That is why Trump doesn't want to offer any security guarantees now before a final deal is achieved.
I agree with whoever said that language barriers/differences played a roll in all of this today.
I also agree that this looked really bad and was a shitshow.
This post was edited on 2/28/25 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:07 pm to TigerFanatic99
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He came into the meeting with the perspective that he is Trump's equal and Ukraine is level with the US on the world stage.
Ukrainian leaders have thought since the first big aid package that our money is their money.
frick Zelensky.
This is not a US hating administration that allows world leaders to come into our country and talk shite about states, congressmen, or this country. That was Obama and Biden.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:09 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Zelensky got involved in our domestic politics and worse, he decided to back the losing candidate
How did he get involved in our politics?
He went to a munitions factory in Pennsylvania in September and said this:
"I began my visit to the United States by expressing my gratitude to all the employees at the plant and by reaching agreements to expand cooperation between Pennsylvania and our Zaporizhzhia."
"I am grateful to the people of Scranton, Pennsylvania, and all the states where Americans are building this incredible arsenal of global freedom. Together, we are strengthening the defense of liberty and democracy."
During that same trip, he met both the sitting president of the United States and the challenger, Donald Trump.
Zelensky did say Vance is too radical. I’m not sure Vance is too radical, but he is incredible thin skinned and parrots talking points with the best of them.
Also from September - Senate Republican Whip John Thune added, “I think it would be advisable for him to stay out of American politics,” when asked if it was appropriate for Zelensky to criticize Vance. “They have some differences on some issues but it’s not his place to litigate that here in the middle of an American election.”
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:23 pm to AU86
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US having to fight if Putin attacked the Baltics or Poland because of Art. 5.
So we are back on “Russia will conquer the world if USA doesn’t stop them”.
Russia taking Ukraine is not a threat to us. Russia is a regional power threatening some of its immediate neighbors, not out of strength but out of weaknes.
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That was what he meant by a ceasefire wouldn't work without security guarantees.
Do you understand that when an American company goes over to work that there won’t be a security guarantee? Ask those Wagner boys how that worked in the gas field a few years back. That’s why the mineral deal would bring the security guarantee. Surely
you aren’t this shortsighted daily.
As for the shitshow reference it had to happen this way in public. Last time they spoke in private the Democrats impeached him.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:29 pm to ned nederlander
Thune was correct.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:30 pm to AU86
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Zekensky replied that diplomacy had been tried and Putin had violated the ceasefire many times.
People say this like we shouldn't negotiate at all lol. At some point you just have to try to go to the table and hope the other guy follows through.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:32 pm to cypher
I hope it’s pouring in a ton of money and weapons with their Ukraine support.
It’s EU’s problem until a NATO country is attacked.
It’s EU’s problem until a NATO country is attacked.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:45 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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STEPHEN MILLER
frick that guy
No frick Zelenskyy
Without US weapons and other US $ funding the Ukraine govt Zelenskyy would be sucking Putin’s dick for past 3 plus years. In public he should show more respect. I would fully support cutting off all aid to the Ukraine as long as that little prick is running country. Let the EU and the actor fend for themselves.
I hope Zelenskyy and Putin destroy each other.
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