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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/25/25 at 2:04 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 2/25/25 at 2:04 pm to VolSquatch
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I didn't personally say any of those things, but lets look at them.
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'They're eating the cats... they're eating the dogs!!!"
He needs to get his facts straight, it was just geese out of the local parks.
So, no on the cats and dogs.
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"Our border is being invaded!"
What would you call what happened under Biden?
Why did the people most directly impacted (those on the border) swing harder to Trump than any other areas in the US?
We had a lot of asylum seekers... more than we could handle. It wasn't an "invasion." So no on invasion.
your next question has no importance. They were acting on perception.
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"MRA Vaccines alter your genetics!"
Would you argue that they were necessary, or good for you? Even knowing what we know now?
Do MRA vaccines alter your genetics? Yes or no?
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Posted on 2/25/25 at 2:05 pm to cypher
Supposedly no security guarantees in the deal.
You'd think a country that just got burned by giving up something (nukes) without concrete guarantees wouldn't make the same mistake twice.
Thats what happens when you elect a comedian/actor I guess.
You'd think a country that just got burned by giving up something (nukes) without concrete guarantees wouldn't make the same mistake twice.
Thats what happens when you elect a comedian/actor I guess.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 2:23 pm to VolSquatch
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Supposedly no security guarantees in the deal.
And if anything happens to Ukraine, then what good is the deal?
Posted on 2/25/25 at 2:26 pm to VolSquatch
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You'd think a country that just got burned by giving up something (nukes) without concrete guarantees wouldn't make the same mistake twice.
They didn’t have the codes to arm the weapons. They did try and crack the permissive action links, but all of their attempts failed.
When they realized they were holding nuclear paperweights, they agreed to sell them. We gave them 452 million, if I remember correctly.
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without concrete guarantees
The war answered that question, they don’t get to have security guarantees
Posted on 2/25/25 at 2:31 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 2/25/25 at 2:33 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/25/25 at 2:34 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:05 pm to VolSquatch
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Thats what happens when you elect a comedian/actor I guess.
We haven’t elected a comedian yet, but we did elect an actor and a tv show host. Both made good presidents.
I think you could have left off the actor part and just gone with the comedian bit.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:05 pm to Lee B
Again, not sure why you're attributing any of this stuff to me other than to try to make your own argument better. I'm only defending the positions because I know I'm considerably more intelligent than you.
There were definitely reports from citizens about cats and dogs. But sure, no confirmation.
You could label it an "invasion", absolutely. Its a rhetorical way to put it, but massive numbers of people entering a country to suck up its resources sounds a lot like what I'd call an invasion, infestation, influx, etc etc.
They were acting on the reality of life around them, they saw it first hand
Are ukrainian soldiers just acting on the perception that Russia is shooting at them?
I think we both know the answer to that. Now you answer, were they necessary for COVID? Were they even good for you?
I don't even remember the "MRNA Vaccines alter your genetics" point being that widely shared, but you're making a strawman here anyway because you can't argue actual positions
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So, no on the cats and dogs.
There were definitely reports from citizens about cats and dogs. But sure, no confirmation.
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We had a lot of asylum seekers... more than we could handle. It wasn't an "invasion." So no on invasion.
your next question has no importance. They were acting on perception.
You could label it an "invasion", absolutely. Its a rhetorical way to put it, but massive numbers of people entering a country to suck up its resources sounds a lot like what I'd call an invasion, infestation, influx, etc etc.
They were acting on the reality of life around them, they saw it first hand
Are ukrainian soldiers just acting on the perception that Russia is shooting at them? quote:
Would you argue that they were necessary, or good for you? Even knowing what we know now?
Do MRA vaccines alter your genetics? Yes or no?
I think we both know the answer to that. Now you answer, were they necessary for COVID? Were they even good for you?
I don't even remember the "MRNA Vaccines alter your genetics" point being that widely shared, but you're making a strawman here anyway because you can't argue actual positions
This post was edited on 2/25/25 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:07 pm to Lee B
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And if anything happens to Ukraine, then what good is the deal?
Then whatever we do get out of it cost us nothing anyway
And all for rare earth materials that aren't actually that 'rare' anyway. But they are from the earth.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:08 pm to John Barron
Honestly, I think Vance is talking to the wrong “dictator” unless he believes Ukraine should surrender immediately. There’s no way Zelensky can stop the war unless he surrenders. Putin isn’t stopping.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:08 pm to doubleb
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I think you could have left off the actor part and just gone with the comedian bit.
If I had simply said "clown" I think most here would have understood who it was in reference to
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:09 pm to Lee B
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We had a lot of asylum seekers... more than we could handle. It wasn't an "invasion." So no on invasion.
I told you so. He is a nut.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:10 pm to VolSquatch
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Then whatever we do get out of it cost us nothing anyway
I thought that was how we were recouping the "$350,000,000,000 in aid we sent to Ukraine so far" or whatever?
This post was edited on 2/25/25 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:13 pm to doubleb
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Honestly, I think Vance is talking to the wrong “dictator” unless he believes Ukraine should surrender immediately. There’s no way Zelensky can stop the war unless he surrenders
That is where this is headed anyway if trends continue.
There is a point in the war where the winning side no longer feels it necessary to negotiate because they can simply take everything they would possibly want. You have to strike a balance between not giving too much now while still getting peace vs risking losing everything later because you were too greedy.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:15 pm to Lee B
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I thought that was how we were recouping the "$350,000,000 in aid we sent to Ukraine so far" or whatever?
That many is spent as far as I'm concerned. Anything we get out of it is a bonus.
Just for the sake of not having to deal with those people anymore, I wouldn't even do a deal with them personally. But, it could be extremely beneficial.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:22 pm to doubleb
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Honestly, I think Vance is talking to the wrong “dictator” unless he believes Ukraine should surrender immediately. There’s no way Zelensky can stop the war unless he surrenders. Putin isn’t stopping.
Nonsense! Zelensky caused the invasion by not stopping it, he can end it by not doing whatever he didn't do that didn't stop it from happening!
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:32 pm to VolSquatch
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If I had simply said "clown" I think most here would have understood who it was in reference to
I think SirWinston or John Kremlin
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:42 pm to VolSquatch
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There is a point in the war where the winning side no longer feels it necessary to negotiate because they can simply take everything they would possibly want. You have to strike a balance between not giving too much now while still getting peace vs risking losing everything later because you were too greedy.
Correct, and Putin still believes he can keep fighting, brave the political consequences, and eventually vanquish Ukraine.
Now he’s been fooled into thinking this was going to be over quickly, but you care more about the Russians killed and maimed than he does. The human suffering doesn’t affect him at all.
Russia defended herself when the Germans invaded on June 22, 1941. They fought them viscously for three years and around 45 weeks and beat them to a pulp. Of course they had major help.
This Special Operation is now in its fourth year. If Trump doesn’t hhh err lo end this thing, and Europe continues to aid Ukraine; I believe this SO could go on longer than the Rusdia v Germany struggle in WWII.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:01 pm to doubleb
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If tweet fails to load, click here. This would be interesting
But it could just as easily be a ruse, to keep the Ukrainians tied down in Kherson
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