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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/17/25 at 7:01 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 2/17/25 at 7:01 pm to CitizenK
Your refusal to acknowledge that Ukraine blew up Nordstream is obvious evidence that you're compromised, either because you have financial incentive or you're just too mentally invested in Ukraine being seen as a good guy to be objective about anything.
Like I said I don't really care about the event itself of Nordstream. But how some in this thread have reacted to the solid reporting that it actually was Ukraine who did it is very telling and should be noticed. When people tell you who they are, listen.
Y'all are decent at spotting the Russian shills, mostly because they are piss poor at hiding it. But your heads are in the sand about the Ukraine ones.
Like I said I don't really care about the event itself of Nordstream. But how some in this thread have reacted to the solid reporting that it actually was Ukraine who did it is very telling and should be noticed. When people tell you who they are, listen.
Y'all are decent at spotting the Russian shills, mostly because they are piss poor at hiding it. But your heads are in the sand about the Ukraine ones.
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Posted on 2/17/25 at 7:36 pm to VolSquatch
A decent chunk of his posts seem like someone trying to type in English when it's not their first language, or it's being run through Google translate. He's a total grifter or completely moronic. Don't really care which, either one isn't worth listening to.[/quote]
I thought you were talking about Citizen not John Barren???
I thought you were talking about Citizen not John Barren???
Posted on 2/17/25 at 7:40 pm to VolSquatch
quote:
Like I said I don't really care about the event itself of Nordstream. But how some in this thread have reacted to the solid reporting that it actually was Ukraine who did it is very telling and should be noticed. When people tell you who they are, listen.
While I believe Ukraine was the most logical candidate, you can find other arguments on the internet blaming others.
Just saying
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:08 pm to cypher
ISW Update Feb 17 2025
quote:
Key Takeaways:
The Kremlin reiterated its demands that Ukraine cede additional territory in eastern and southern Ukraine to Russia and disband the Ukrainian military in the future while continuing to message that the Kremlin is unwilling to make territorial concessions itself in any future peace negotiations.
Lavrov and Nebenzya also categorically rejected European involvement in future peace negotiations and accused European countries of being aggressive toward Russia.
The Kremlin also appears to be resurrecting Putin's previous demands and information operations aimed at delegitimizing Ukraine and its government in the eyes of the West – notably ahead of the February 18 Russia-US bilateral meeting in Saudi Arabia.
The Russian delegation participating in Russian-American talks in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia on February 18 does not include one of the members of Russian President Vladimir Putin's innermost circle who had been reported as a likely negotiator.
Ukrainian forces continue to conduct drone strikes against Russian energy facilities supplying the Russian military.
Russian commanders continue to give orders for Russian forces to execute Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) on the frontline.
Unspecified sources told Bloomberg that Russia appears to be nearing a deal with the Syrian interim government to maintain a “reduced” military presence in Syria.
Russian forces advanced near Toretsk, Pokrovsk, Kurakhove, and Velyka Novosilka.
Russian occupation authorities continue to violate the Geneva Convention by conscripting civilians in occupied Ukraine to serve in the Russian military.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:30 pm to doubleb
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I thought you were
You can't even count.
9/20/24 to 2/17/25
doubleb: "less than four months"
Now you went and edited to "just over four months" which is still wrong.
We are 3 days away from being 5 months. No wonder you post complete BS. 
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:33 pm to John Barron
But I’m not hard headed, I corrected my mistake. Now go correct all of yours. See you back in four months.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:59 pm to doubleb
quote:
But I’m not hard headed, I corrected my mistake
You did not. You said "just over 4 months which is still incorrect. We are 3 days away from it being 5 months. An accurate description would be "close to 5 months". That's why I am such a great poster, I give accurate and factual information. You should try it sometimes
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:00 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:06 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:19 pm to VolSquatch
If you have actual reading comprehension, I never said that the US didn't blow it.
What I made were the following points:
1. Nordstream was not built due commercial viability. and there was more than enough capacity within existing pipelines to increase the flow to total MORE than what would gone through Nordstream and what has gone through existing pipelines.
2. Japan's industries have not collapsed due reliance on LNG but still thrive.
3. No gas was flowing through Nordstream from almost a month earlier due Russian FUBAR maintenance of natural gas entering the pipeline system and crashing the compressors so broken like a mofo, needing total replacement while existing being totally overhauled, including brand new rotors something Russia is incapable of doing.
4. Gazprom immediately filed an insurance claim for cost to repair (still no gas flowing through the pipeline unharmed by the blasts) Yes they are repairable.
5. Commerical divers working offshore are quite adept at doing this who have worked in places like Malayasia, Australia, Africa, North Sea and the Gulf of America doing similar setting of charges
6. Still no gas flowing through the one of four undamaged pipelines despite Germany willing to accept it.
7. Gazprom was on the hook for BILLIONS of Euros/Dollars whatever for breach of contract if flow was reestablished in 30 days from failure of the compressors. It would have had to purchase natural gas on the open market to replace what was contractually lost, that means L frickING N frickING G, and increased flow purchased from Norway.
8. That points to Gazprom more than anyone else as the culprit.
If you cannot understand this, then you need to go back to 3rd grade and develop reading comprehension skills.
What I made were the following points:
1. Nordstream was not built due commercial viability. and there was more than enough capacity within existing pipelines to increase the flow to total MORE than what would gone through Nordstream and what has gone through existing pipelines.
2. Japan's industries have not collapsed due reliance on LNG but still thrive.
3. No gas was flowing through Nordstream from almost a month earlier due Russian FUBAR maintenance of natural gas entering the pipeline system and crashing the compressors so broken like a mofo, needing total replacement while existing being totally overhauled, including brand new rotors something Russia is incapable of doing.
4. Gazprom immediately filed an insurance claim for cost to repair (still no gas flowing through the pipeline unharmed by the blasts) Yes they are repairable.
5. Commerical divers working offshore are quite adept at doing this who have worked in places like Malayasia, Australia, Africa, North Sea and the Gulf of America doing similar setting of charges
6. Still no gas flowing through the one of four undamaged pipelines despite Germany willing to accept it.
7. Gazprom was on the hook for BILLIONS of Euros/Dollars whatever for breach of contract if flow was reestablished in 30 days from failure of the compressors. It would have had to purchase natural gas on the open market to replace what was contractually lost, that means L frickING N frickING G, and increased flow purchased from Norway.
8. That points to Gazprom more than anyone else as the culprit.
If you cannot understand this, then you need to go back to 3rd grade and develop reading comprehension skills.
This post was edited on 2/17/25 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:34 pm to CitizenK
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despite Germany willing to accept it.
Refusing to pay is not willing to accept it
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:17 pm to CitizenK
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Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflictby CitizenK
If you have actual reading comprehension, I never said that the US didn't blow it.
You claimed it was a bogus story by Tucker Carlson in the past week
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:18 pm to doubleb
Do you believe him about the technology or not?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:25 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:07 am to John Barron
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:09 am to StormyMcMan
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:13 am to cypher
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:17 am to cypher
Vance needs to head on over to Africa and get some tips from Wagner on how to pull off a "mineral deal" heist.
US blackmailed Ukraine in Munich: Either sign minerals deal or no meeting with US vice president
Serhiy Sydorenko, Mariya Yemets — Monday, 17 February 2025, 15:23
The US side at the Munich Security Conference demanded that Ukraine immediately agree to their version of the mineral resources deal in exchange for aid, otherwise, they threatened to prevent a meeting with US Vice President JD Vance. However, the pressure stopped after Kyiv refused, and the meeting took place anyway.
Source: European Pravda article on what happened behind the scenes of the Munich Security Conference
Details: The details that European Pravda has found out from Ukrainian and American sources indicate that the unexpected postponement of the meeting between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and US Vice President JD Vance was due to the US demand that Ukraine agree to their vision of the "mineral resources for aid" agreement and sign the document.
At first, Kyiv perceived the American statements that they expected Zelenskyy to sign the document in Munich as a figurative turn of phrase: "We want to sign as soon as possible," but the expectations turned out to be literal.
Ukraine was required to sign the document immediately to meet with Vance and negotiate the outlines of peace, and they gave time until the evening to agree on amendments.
The US was not prepared to alter the parameters, as reported by European Pravda sources. One of the sources said that after Ukraine provided the Americans with a revised version of the agreement in an attempt to reach a compromise, they revoked all of the important amendments and insisted that Ukraine either sign what was given or nothing at all, and that a meeting with Vance could only take place as part of a package that included the signing.
When Zelenskyy refused to sign the document in Munich in the form that the White House had insisted on, the harsh pressure from American negotiators suddenly disappeared, and instead, constructive talks with Vance ensued.
Background: On Monday, 17 February, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Ukraine is interested in signing an agreement with the US on the use of mineral resources, but only after it is revised to take into account the country's key interests.
Ukrainska Pravda
US blackmailed Ukraine in Munich: Either sign minerals deal or no meeting with US vice president
Serhiy Sydorenko, Mariya Yemets — Monday, 17 February 2025, 15:23
The US side at the Munich Security Conference demanded that Ukraine immediately agree to their version of the mineral resources deal in exchange for aid, otherwise, they threatened to prevent a meeting with US Vice President JD Vance. However, the pressure stopped after Kyiv refused, and the meeting took place anyway.
Source: European Pravda article on what happened behind the scenes of the Munich Security Conference
Details: The details that European Pravda has found out from Ukrainian and American sources indicate that the unexpected postponement of the meeting between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and US Vice President JD Vance was due to the US demand that Ukraine agree to their vision of the "mineral resources for aid" agreement and sign the document.
At first, Kyiv perceived the American statements that they expected Zelenskyy to sign the document in Munich as a figurative turn of phrase: "We want to sign as soon as possible," but the expectations turned out to be literal.
Ukraine was required to sign the document immediately to meet with Vance and negotiate the outlines of peace, and they gave time until the evening to agree on amendments.
The US was not prepared to alter the parameters, as reported by European Pravda sources. One of the sources said that after Ukraine provided the Americans with a revised version of the agreement in an attempt to reach a compromise, they revoked all of the important amendments and insisted that Ukraine either sign what was given or nothing at all, and that a meeting with Vance could only take place as part of a package that included the signing.
When Zelenskyy refused to sign the document in Munich in the form that the White House had insisted on, the harsh pressure from American negotiators suddenly disappeared, and instead, constructive talks with Vance ensued.
Background: On Monday, 17 February, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Ukraine is interested in signing an agreement with the US on the use of mineral resources, but only after it is revised to take into account the country's key interests.
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 2/18/25 at 3:56 am to John Barron
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Ukraine will not take part in tomorrow’s U.S.-Russia talks, “even if I am asked,” Zelensky stated.
Speaking to Politico, Zelensky dismissed any connection between his visits and the negotiations in Saudi Arabia.
“My trips have nothing to do with these talks. However, when I arrive in Saudi Arabia, I will ask His Majesty what he knows about the discussions,” he added.
This is getting kinda sad for Z...
So now he's trying to spin it that he went all the way there, but never had any intention of participating? Then why is he there?
Another waste of US tax-payer money.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 4:09 am to VolSquatch
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Do you believe him about the technology or not?
doubleb is a fence-riding beta cuck. He won't give you a straight answer. He's not capable of doing so.
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