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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:08 pm to LSUPilot07
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:08 pm to LSUPilot07
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I haven’t posted here in a while but I’ve kept up with what’s going on with the war. I’ve kept silent so I didn’t seem like I was straddling the fence but there’s one issue that I’ve noticed is just continuing to become more and more prevalent to me is the absolute hatred a lot of Europeans have for us in the United States. I hear more bullshite about don’t buy American and some say buy Chinese even though it has been our military that has propped up NATO and kept it from dissolving into a joke by being the world’s arsenal while many NATO nations didn’t even spend 1%, much less the 2% required, GDP for all members on military spending. All through the years we made up the difference. Now in year 3 of a war that Joe Biden completely fricked from the start it’s like “how dare the Americans ask for some of Ukraine’s resources back one day as a form of lend lease to arm them and keep arming them!” I agree the $500 billion number Trump threw out was ridiculous and will never happen but $100 billion? Who knows what the number would be but there’s one thing that is not up for debate. Without the help of the U.S., Ukraine would already be Russian so you’d think some would at least realize that even we don’t have unlimited stocks of shells and missiles and we have an economy at home we also have to balance. I’m 100% behind Ukraine and I hope one day Putin does the slowest death possible for his war crimes, but it feels like all of a sudden we are the enemy to many “allies”.
They have enacted regulations for "climate change" which keeps US made process equipment out of the European market. The example given to me several years ago by a Chem E of a US company with assets in Germany to make toothbrushes. There is some little piece on the machines to put the nylon bristles into the toothbrush for "climate change" which only a German company has a patent on and manufacturers. The same machine made in the USA does the same thing with the same climate impact but doesn't work for EU regs.
Clinton and later Obama PAID to have the manufacturing capability demolished, though mostly Clinton.
We've actually been coasting on the stockpile for the Cold War since that era ended, with a some manufacturing to supplement as thought needed.
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Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:09 pm to LSUPilot07
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I’m 100% behind Ukraine and I hope one day Putin does the slowest death possible for his war crimes, but it feels like all of a sudden we are the enemy to many “allies”.
Trump is the enemy to many of our allies... bullies are never liked, and people just bide their time until the opportunity presents itself to join the lynch mob.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:14 pm to John Barron
Those welchers are weak and delusional. Short of sending troops how could they make a difference? And that is not going to happen. Let them storm into the corner and pitch their little fits.
Someone also needs to show that idiot the US- EU trade imbalance. Their free ride is over.
Someone also needs to show that idiot the US- EU trade imbalance. Their free ride is over.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:16 pm to Lee B
I agree Trump goes way over the top too often. I still would vote for him again also. He wants to repaid in rare earth minerals for military equipment. I don’t see how that’s so disagreeable. The amount of course is not going to happen but there’s no reason why I could ever see why Ukraine wouldn’t jump at a deal to get more equipment in trade for resources which likely wouldn’t be repaid for years anyway.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:17 pm to LSUPilot07
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I agree the $500 billion number Trump threw out was ridiculous and will never happen but $100 billion?
The only way that I can make it make sense is if. Ukraine's state run companies mine the minerals. Ukraine gives the US government $65 billion worth of minerals to back for the assistance. The US government then sells the minerals to American companies. American companies or maybe even the US government then buy the remaining $435 billion worth of minerals from Ukrainian companies. That deal works out well for both sides. We get paid back and Ukraine gets a revenue stream to help pay for its rebuilding.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:20 pm to WeeWee
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The only way that I can make it make sense is if. Ukraine's state run companies mine the minerals. Ukraine gives the US government $65 billion worth of minerals to back for the assistance. The US government then sells the minerals to American companies. American companies or maybe even the US government then buy the remaining $435 billion worth of minerals from Ukrainian companies. That deal works out well for both sides. We get paid back and Ukraine gets a revenue stream to help pay for its rebuilding.
You're much smarter than Trump, though.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:23 pm to Lee B
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The only way that I can make it make sense is if. Ukraine's state run companies mine the minerals. Ukraine gives the US government $65 billion worth of minerals to back for the assistance. The US government then sells the minerals to American companies. American companies or maybe even the US government then buy the remaining $435 billion worth of minerals from Ukrainian companies. That deal works out well for both sides. We get paid back and Ukraine gets a revenue stream to help pay for its rebuilding.
You're much smarter than Trump, though.
I doubt that.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:25 pm to WeeWee
That would be a win for both sides in the end. Of course there’s Russia that also has to be factored in with anything Ukraine does. Russia already holds a lot of their most mineral rich land.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:29 pm to Lee B
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and people just bide their time until the opportunity presents itself to join the lynch mob.
Are you threatening a sitting US President?
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:30 pm to WeeWee
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Ukraine gives the US government $65 billion worth of minerals to back for the assistance
They owe us more than that
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:30 pm to LSUPilot07
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He wants to repaid in rare earth minerals for military equipment. I don’t see how that’s so disagreeable.
At least for me, because we don’t generally operate as mercenaries. I think overtime we will be less successful if that becomes our approach to foreign policy.
Plus, who profits from any mineral rights deal and who supported Ukraine may well be very different entities.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:33 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:41 pm to WeeWee
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The only way that I can make it make sense is if
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:43 pm to texag7
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Trump is the enemy to many of our allies... bullies are never liked, and people just bide their time until the opportunity presents itself to join the lynch mob.
Are you threatening a sitting US President?
I'm using an advanced concept of speech known as metaphor. They probably didn't cover that in your rushed FSB English classes.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:52 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:55 pm to Lee B
Can anyone explain how Trump is saying that we have given Ukraine $350 billion but only $175 billion has been allocated by Congress?
Posted on 2/12/25 at 3:57 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/12/25 at 4:02 pm to doubleb
Personally I think "it's of little consequence in the big picture" is probably the reality. I just highly, highly doubt you're getting the same reasoned/downplayed reaction if it was widely believed that Russia was at fault. Our media and expert class aren't really in the business of telling us that pipeline disasters won't make that much difference.
I'd compare it to public health officials telling us it was of no consequence for people to gather in masses for riots and protests in 2020. In truth - it probably wasn't a big deal in the eyes of normal people, but it flew in the face of the catastrophic tone taken by the media/expert class as to any other gathering.
I'd compare it to public health officials telling us it was of no consequence for people to gather in masses for riots and protests in 2020. In truth - it probably wasn't a big deal in the eyes of normal people, but it flew in the face of the catastrophic tone taken by the media/expert class as to any other gathering.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 4:03 pm to WeeWee
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Can anyone explain how Trump is saying that we have given Ukraine $350 billion
The same reason I told everyone there is no way the KIA/WIA numbers were accurate that President Trump was giving. He always exaggerates numbers when negotiating. This is nothing new. You NAFO trolls like to believe the numbers when they fit your narrative and complain when they don't. I never take his numbers seriously when he is negotiating
Posted on 2/12/25 at 4:07 pm to WeeWee
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Can anyone explain how Trump is saying that we have given Ukraine $350 billion but only $175 billion has been allocated by Congress?
Counting obsolete but still functional arms at their brand new value from 30 or 40 years ago adjusted for inflation?
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