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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:59 am to cypher
Posted on 2/12/25 at 10:59 am to cypher
FOX News:Russia says US relations 'on the brink of a breakup,' won't confirm Trump-Putin talk
Russia is just negotiating hard, I guess... but the fighting will continue while they ignore him.
Russia is just negotiating hard, I guess... but the fighting will continue while they ignore him.
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Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:00 am to Lee B
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He created a scenario which is not in question, here.
You are still in denial.
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:16 am to John Barron
Looks like General Kellogg is out. Steve Witkoff in.....
JUST IN - UKRAINE, RUSSIA PEACE IMMINENT, TRUMP SAYS, after phone call
"We agreed to work together, very closely, including visiting each other’s Nations. We have also agreed to have our respective teams start negotiations immediately, and we will begin by calling President Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, to inform him of the conversation, something which I will be doing right now."
"I just had a lengthy and highly productive phone call with President Vladimir Putin of Russia. We discussed Ukraine, the Middle East, Energy, Artificial Intelligence, the power of the Dollar, and various other subjects. We both reflected on the Great History of our Nations, and the fact that we fought so successfully together in World War II, remembering, that Russia lost tens of millions of people, and we, likewise, lost so many! We each talked about the strengths of our respective Nations, and the great benefit that we will someday have in working together. But first, as we both agreed, we want to stop the millions of deaths taking place in the War with Russia/Ukraine. President Putin even used my very strong Campaign motto of, “COMMON SENSE.” We both believe very strongly in it. We agreed to work together, very closely, including visiting each other’s Nations. We have also agreed to have our respective teams start negotiations immediately, and we will begin by calling President Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, to inform him of the conversation, something which I will be doing right now. I have asked Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Director of the CIA John Ratcliffe, National Security Advisor Michael Waltz, and Ambassador and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, to lead the negotiations which, I feel strongly, will be successful. Millions of people have died in a War that would not have happened if I were President, but it did happen, so it must end. No more lives should be lost! I want to thank President Putin for his time and effort with respect to this call, and for the release, yesterday, of Marc Fogel, a wonderful man that I personally greeted last night at the White House. I believe this effort will lead to a successful conclusion, hopefully soon!
JUST IN - UKRAINE, RUSSIA PEACE IMMINENT, TRUMP SAYS, after phone call
"We agreed to work together, very closely, including visiting each other’s Nations. We have also agreed to have our respective teams start negotiations immediately, and we will begin by calling President Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, to inform him of the conversation, something which I will be doing right now."
"I just had a lengthy and highly productive phone call with President Vladimir Putin of Russia. We discussed Ukraine, the Middle East, Energy, Artificial Intelligence, the power of the Dollar, and various other subjects. We both reflected on the Great History of our Nations, and the fact that we fought so successfully together in World War II, remembering, that Russia lost tens of millions of people, and we, likewise, lost so many! We each talked about the strengths of our respective Nations, and the great benefit that we will someday have in working together. But first, as we both agreed, we want to stop the millions of deaths taking place in the War with Russia/Ukraine. President Putin even used my very strong Campaign motto of, “COMMON SENSE.” We both believe very strongly in it. We agreed to work together, very closely, including visiting each other’s Nations. We have also agreed to have our respective teams start negotiations immediately, and we will begin by calling President Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, to inform him of the conversation, something which I will be doing right now. I have asked Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Director of the CIA John Ratcliffe, National Security Advisor Michael Waltz, and Ambassador and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, to lead the negotiations which, I feel strongly, will be successful. Millions of people have died in a War that would not have happened if I were President, but it did happen, so it must end. No more lives should be lost! I want to thank President Putin for his time and effort with respect to this call, and for the release, yesterday, of Marc Fogel, a wonderful man that I personally greeted last night at the White House. I believe this effort will lead to a successful conclusion, hopefully soon!
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Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:16 am to John Barron
The War is Over
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:19 am to doubleb
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A quick google search.
OK, this may or may not be true. I haven't ever played the environmental catastrophe card so who knows and I'm not really locked in to a position here.
That said, some international agencies that are probably very pro-Ukraine downplaying it while taking shots at the oil industry isn't very convincing to me, is it convincing to you?
The expert class has a credibility issue and they've 100% earned it.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:30 am to QboveTopSecret
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:36 am to Pettifogger
I quoted from three sources all on the first page of my search.
All said it was a big disaster but all said in the big picture it is of little consequence.
But articles about the pipeline explosion and its environmental impact are numerous and easy to find.
All said it was a big disaster but all said in the big picture it is of little consequence.
quote:
OK, this may or may not be true. I haven't ever played the environmental catastrophe card so who knows and I'm not really locked in to a position here.
But articles about the pipeline explosion and its environmental impact are numerous and easy to find.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 11:40 am to John Barron
NAFO trolls are not happy this morning. They say President Trump has betrayed Ukraine. The comments under this tweet show NAFO trolls in shambles 
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The War is Over
It isn’t over, but if we are getting closer to a peace deal that is good news.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:11 pm to doubleb
I think the peace deal will give us a more accurate assessment of how to remainder of the war would have gone had it played out. If its worse for Ukraine than most expect, their prospects were likely pretty dire.
I still expect it to be within the general framework of
-Russia keeps the contested territories
-Ukraine doesn't join NATO
-Ukraine can join the EU
And then some maybes like
-Zelensky pushed out to pasture
-Ukraine demilitarization but more concrete/binding guarantees of their security instead of toothless wording like "We agree to respect your sovereignty"
I still expect it to be within the general framework of
-Russia keeps the contested territories
-Ukraine doesn't join NATO
-Ukraine can join the EU
And then some maybes like
-Zelensky pushed out to pasture
-Ukraine demilitarization but more concrete/binding guarantees of their security instead of toothless wording like "We agree to respect your sovereignty"
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:11 pm to doubleb
Trump spoke to Putin for 1 hour and 30 minutes. Zelensky 10 minutes 
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:16 pm to John Barron
Here to dunk on all the Ukraine cucks... especially those who supported Biden / Carmela of whom there were many.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:16 pm to John Barron
Will Eddie Munster commit harikari or go man the trenches in Lithuania with Keith?
This post was edited on 2/12/25 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:18 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:22 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:28 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:30 pm to No Colors
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Look at portions of NE France that have fewer people in them today than they did in 1918.
That’s a general French phenomenon sadly. The rural economy cratered and much of the countryside is sparsely populated now. The money is all in Paris.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:34 pm to Lima Whiskey
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If tweet fails to load, click here. This means full normalization and no sanctions.
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:35 pm to SirWinston
So, I was right about Benedict Donald Trump all along!
Peace through capitulation to our enemies!
Peace through capitulation to our enemies!
This post was edited on 2/12/25 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 2/12/25 at 12:38 pm to Lee B
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