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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:39 pm to texag7
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:39 pm to texag7
A few thoughts:
Are we sure the current US assistance to Ukraine would fall under the definition of Foreign Development Assistance? I'm just wondering if it is under some other designation, such as Defence Assitance, that would exempt it from the hold. I wonder if this impacts the already announced "released" aid to Ukraine or if it only applies to aid going forward.
It would be surprising that Trump was pausing support to Ukraine while trying to negotiate a deal...that isn't his style.
These are legitimate questions, I hope the details are released forthwith as this could have a significant impact on the coming negotiations.
Are we sure the current US assistance to Ukraine would fall under the definition of Foreign Development Assistance? I'm just wondering if it is under some other designation, such as Defence Assitance, that would exempt it from the hold. I wonder if this impacts the already announced "released" aid to Ukraine or if it only applies to aid going forward.
It would be surprising that Trump was pausing support to Ukraine while trying to negotiate a deal...that isn't his style.
These are legitimate questions, I hope the details are released forthwith as this could have a significant impact on the coming negotiations.
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:48 pm to Chromdome35
quote:
re we sure the current US assistance to Ukraine would fall under the definition of Foreign Development Assistance?
All I know is that he inherited $3.8 billion in already appropriated PDA - Presidential Drawdown Authority money. How and whether or not he spends it will be a tell.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:49 pm to Chromdome35
I don't think it matters either way. Putin is not going to fall for a Minsk 3 agreement this time. What Zelensky has said sounds like a ceasefire because they are in a bad position right now. Putin says that is off the table
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quote:
All I know is that he inherited $3.8 billion in already appropriated PDA - Presidential Drawdown Authority money. How and whether or not he spends it will be a tell.
Thats my question, does the EO stop that already approved spending automatically. If the EO doesn't stop that PDA, then it would be Trump's decision on allowing it to proceed. Trump could possibly slow that down or speed it up.
At this point, I don't think Trump will give any of that already appropriated PDA to Ukraine; but, if it takes a while for the negotiations to mature, Ukraine will be hurting. Europe needs to be ready to step up or Ukraine will run out of bullets and beans. Putin knows this and so I expect him to slow roll any serious negotiations since the longer he waits, the stronger his hand.
ETA: This would be a consistent position for Trump to take. He has advocated since his 1st term that Eurpoe needs to pull it's own weight. This would be using Ukraine to push that view on them.
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:14 pm to Chromdome35
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Thats my question, does the EO stop that already approved spending automatically
Yes, but it doesnt look like it's ALL foreign aid. I think it's just this stuff. Now Ukraine is in there, but so are 189 other countries. These look like just economic and social foreign aid not military
quote:
"All department and agency heads with responsibility for United States foreign development assistance programs shall immediately pause new obligations and disbursements of development assistance funds," read the executive order signed by Trump.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:27 pm to John Barron
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:37 pm to Chromdome35
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Trumps comments tonight that Russia had 1M KIA and Ukraine had 700K.
The Russians estimate isn’t possible
They aren’t recruiting enough men to be growing the force while simultaneously suffering 1 million deaths. The social distress would also be dramatic too. There would be constant coverage on social media, and that’s everything from Instagram to VK.
The Ukrainians would also be winning the war if they’d killed a million Russians.
I see this gap anecdotally too. When it comes up my Ukrainian friends report losing multiple* family members. None of my Russian friends have lost anyone. From speaking with friends in Russia, the war doesn’t really exist for most of them.
*There was a national poll last year (IIRC) that showed this too
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:38 pm to cypher
This thread would be so much better if both of you fricked off somewhere
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:44 pm to Lima Whiskey
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When it comes up my Ukrainian friends report losing multiple* family members. None of my Russian friends have lost anyone. From speaking with friends in Russia, the war doesn’t really exist for most of them.
Is it possible that is because Russia has avoided pulling people from the western area of country and relied on the more rural areas for most of it's troops in this war? The point is that it wouldn't be registering on your friends since they have not been impacted to the degree others have been. Not arguing, simply asking.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:50 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The Russians estimate isn’t possible
Its common sense like you said. If the Russians lost that many the War would be over already. I like listening to people who have been right about this War from the beginning.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:54 pm to John Barron
So you think the US military/intelligence apparatus doesn't know (with a
fair degree of accuracy) how many casualties Russia has suffered?
It is possible Trump misquoted total (KIA/WIA/MIA) casualties as just KIA.
fair degree of accuracy) how many casualties Russia has suffered?
It is possible Trump misquoted total (KIA/WIA/MIA) casualties as just KIA.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 9:56 pm to Chromdome35
ISW Update Jan 20
quote:
Key Takeaways:
Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Oleksandr Syrskyi reported on January 20 that Russian forces suffered more than 434,000 casualties in 2024 — 150,000 of which were personnel killed in action.
Russian President Vladimir Putin reiterated on January 20 that the Kremlin is willing to negotiate with the United States about the war in Ukraine but indicated that he maintains his demands for Ukraine's full capitulation.
Ukrainian forces reportedly struck an aircraft production plant in Kazan, Republic of Tatarstan on January 20 as a part of an ongoing series of strikes aimed at degrading Russian military capacity.
Ukrainian strikes against Russian defense industrial base (DIB) targets are reportedly affecting Russian forces' combat capabilities.
Moldovan and Transnistrian authorities continue efforts to supply Transnistria with European gas.
Russian forces recently advanced near Toretsk, Pokrovsk, and Kurakhove.
A Russian milblogger and former Storm-Z instructor repeated on January 20 complaints that Russian milbloggers first issued in May 2024 about insufficient quality controls on Russian artillery shells.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:02 pm to Chromdome35
quote:
So you think the US military/intelligence apparatus doesn't know
No... we know the Truth we just don't tell it. Just like when Fox News was covering the Iran missile attack on Israel live and said "Defense Officials" say no Missiles hit the ground despite multiple videos on Twitter showing 15-20 missiles hitting the ground. A month later it was announced the US was moving 2 THAAD systems into Israel. There is no way possible the Russians lost 1 million soldiers. The War would be over.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:11 pm to John Barron
quote:
No... we know the Truth we just don't tell it. Just like when Fox News was covering the Iran missile attack on Israel live and said "Defense Officials" say no Missiles hit the ground despite multiple videos on Twitter showing 15-20 missiles hitting the ground. A month later it was announced the US was moving 2 THAAD systems into Israel. There is no way possible the Russians lost 1 million soldiers. The War would be over.
So Trump is lying? Do you not think that Trump might have misquoted and said 1M KIA when he meant 1M casualties (KIA,WIA,MIA) total?
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:27 pm to Chromdome35
quote:
So you think the US military/intelligence apparatus doesn't know
It’s possible that we don’t want to know because it would force us to change policy
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:31 pm to Chromdome35
quote:
So Trump is lying? Do you not think that Trump might have misquoted and said 1M KIA when he meant 1M casualties (KIA,WIA,MIA) total?
Trump is known for over exaggerating especially when trying to negotiate a deal. That's what he is doing. The bottom line is if the Russians had that many Soldiers taken off the battlefield KIA or WIA then the War would be over
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:34 pm to Chromdome35
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Is it possible that is because Russia has avoided pulling people from the western area of country and relied on the more rural areas for most of it's troops in this war?
Almost everyone lives in the West, these other regions are sparsely populated.
I used the Medusa figures to try and get a sense of the participation rate. Buryats are over represented and Russians perhaps by a little bit. Other ethnic groups appear to be participating in proportionally lower figures. Not many Chechens have died.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 10:39 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Not many Chechens have died.
The TikTok brigade prefers to stay in the back.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 2:23 am to Chromdome35
article has all of Trump's Ukraine related quotes from the Oval Office....
‘Putin Should Make a Deal’ – Trump Discusses NATO and Ending Ukraine War, Russia’s Losses
In the White House, Trump reiterates his pledge to end the war in Ukraine, hints at negotiations with Putin, and questions NATO spending while claiming Russia has suffered nearly a million casualties.
by Katie Livingstone | January 21, 2025, 4:45 am
When asked in the Oval Office if he would end the war in Ukraine on Day 1 as promised on the campaign trail, he responded with a cheeky remark and a smirk. “Well this is only a half a day – I have another half a day.”
When asked later for more information about how he intended to end the war, Trump continued to demur. “Well, we’re going to try and get it done as quickly as possible,” he said.
“It should have never started, the war with Ukraine. Russia should have never started it,” he said, pointing a rare finger at the Kremlin for initiating the war. “It would have never started if I were president.”
The first mention of Ukraine came as Trump railed against NATO, declaring that “NATO has to pay more money. NATO has to pay 5%.”
He said the US had spent “$200 billion more than NATO” and called the alleged disparity “ridiculous” because “we have an ocean in between” the US and Europe. “They’ve got to equalize.”
He eventually mentioned Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky when signing his second batch of executive orders in the Oval Office after a reporter asked him for further details about how he plans to deal with the leaders. “I have to speak to President Putin,” he said.
“He can’t be thrilled – he’s not doing so well,” the president said with his eyebrows raised. “I mean, he’s grinding it out, but most people thought that war would have been over in about one week and now you’re into three years.”
Trump continued to explain why it was in Putin’s interest to agree to end the war as soon as possible. “I think he’d be very well off to end that war.
“I think he’d be very well off to end that war. We have numbers that almost a million Russian soldiers have been killed, about 700,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed,” he claimed, noting that the Russian economy was in shambles too. “Russia’s bigger – they have more soldiers to lose – but that’s no way to run a country.”
He added that Zelensky is already on board. “Zelensky wants to make a deal, I don’t know if Putin does… He should make a deal. I think he’s destroying Russia by not making a deal. I think Russia’s going to be in big trouble.”
A reporter then asked the US president if he would continue issuing sanctions against Russia and supporters of Ukraine’s invasion, or whether he would turn to tariffs as he had discussed in the past.
“The word tariff is much better because it keeps your dollar stronger,” he said. “I think tariffs are more effective.” He then veered into a discussion about Iran, Hezbollah, and Israel before turning back to signing the unknown executive actions on his desk.
The Kyiv Post
‘Putin Should Make a Deal’ – Trump Discusses NATO and Ending Ukraine War, Russia’s Losses
In the White House, Trump reiterates his pledge to end the war in Ukraine, hints at negotiations with Putin, and questions NATO spending while claiming Russia has suffered nearly a million casualties.
by Katie Livingstone | January 21, 2025, 4:45 am
When asked in the Oval Office if he would end the war in Ukraine on Day 1 as promised on the campaign trail, he responded with a cheeky remark and a smirk. “Well this is only a half a day – I have another half a day.”
When asked later for more information about how he intended to end the war, Trump continued to demur. “Well, we’re going to try and get it done as quickly as possible,” he said.
“It should have never started, the war with Ukraine. Russia should have never started it,” he said, pointing a rare finger at the Kremlin for initiating the war. “It would have never started if I were president.”
The first mention of Ukraine came as Trump railed against NATO, declaring that “NATO has to pay more money. NATO has to pay 5%.”
He said the US had spent “$200 billion more than NATO” and called the alleged disparity “ridiculous” because “we have an ocean in between” the US and Europe. “They’ve got to equalize.”
He eventually mentioned Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky when signing his second batch of executive orders in the Oval Office after a reporter asked him for further details about how he plans to deal with the leaders. “I have to speak to President Putin,” he said.
“He can’t be thrilled – he’s not doing so well,” the president said with his eyebrows raised. “I mean, he’s grinding it out, but most people thought that war would have been over in about one week and now you’re into three years.”
Trump continued to explain why it was in Putin’s interest to agree to end the war as soon as possible. “I think he’d be very well off to end that war.
“I think he’d be very well off to end that war. We have numbers that almost a million Russian soldiers have been killed, about 700,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed,” he claimed, noting that the Russian economy was in shambles too. “Russia’s bigger – they have more soldiers to lose – but that’s no way to run a country.”
He added that Zelensky is already on board. “Zelensky wants to make a deal, I don’t know if Putin does… He should make a deal. I think he’s destroying Russia by not making a deal. I think Russia’s going to be in big trouble.”
A reporter then asked the US president if he would continue issuing sanctions against Russia and supporters of Ukraine’s invasion, or whether he would turn to tariffs as he had discussed in the past.
“The word tariff is much better because it keeps your dollar stronger,” he said. “I think tariffs are more effective.” He then veered into a discussion about Iran, Hezbollah, and Israel before turning back to signing the unknown executive actions on his desk.
The Kyiv Post
Posted on 1/21/25 at 2:31 am to cypher
Putin said about readiness for talks with US on condition of Ukraine's complete surrender – ISW
Ivan Diakonov — Tuesday, 21 January 2025, 06:33
Russian leader Vladimir Putin has stated that he is ready to hold talks with the United States over the war in Ukraine but has put forward an ultimatum demand – Ukraine's complete surrender.
Source: Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
Details: Putin reportedly called a meeting of the Russian Security Council on 20 January, where he and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov confirmed Russia's readiness for peace talks with the new administration of US President Donald Trump.
Putin stressed that any peaceful settlement should be based on "eliminating the root causes" of the conflict, which, in his words, includes meeting Russia's tough demands.
Quote: "Senior Kremlin officials, including Putin and Lavrov, have been reiterating in recent weeks that the Kremlin refuses to consider any compromises to Putin's late 2021 and early 2022 demands, which include demands that Ukraine remain permanently "neutral" and not join NATO, impose severe limitations on the size of the Ukrainian military, and remove the current Ukrainian government."
Ukrainska Pravda
Ivan Diakonov — Tuesday, 21 January 2025, 06:33
Russian leader Vladimir Putin has stated that he is ready to hold talks with the United States over the war in Ukraine but has put forward an ultimatum demand – Ukraine's complete surrender.
Source: Institute for the Study of War (ISW)
Details: Putin reportedly called a meeting of the Russian Security Council on 20 January, where he and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov confirmed Russia's readiness for peace talks with the new administration of US President Donald Trump.
Putin stressed that any peaceful settlement should be based on "eliminating the root causes" of the conflict, which, in his words, includes meeting Russia's tough demands.
Quote: "Senior Kremlin officials, including Putin and Lavrov, have been reiterating in recent weeks that the Kremlin refuses to consider any compromises to Putin's late 2021 and early 2022 demands, which include demands that Ukraine remain permanently "neutral" and not join NATO, impose severe limitations on the size of the Ukrainian military, and remove the current Ukrainian government."
Ukrainska Pravda
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