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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/5/25 at 11:17 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 1/5/25 at 11:17 am to GOP_Tiger
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Putin didn't really want to conquer Ukraine. What he wanted was for Ukraine to remain part of the Russky Mir (Russian World). That is, he wanted a Ukraine that he could control and manipulate, like Belarus.
Sure, but when he failed to do that through political means he invaded. Initially there was very little resistance. He quickly captured Crimea and he fought with the rebels in the Donbas.
After a period of time it became apparent that to gain control over Ukraine in its entirety it would take stronger military action. In 2022 he thought the time was ripe. He miscalculated.
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 11:40 am to doubleb
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He miscalculated.
He should of done it sooner. He was Naive and actually thought the West was negotiating in good faith when they were not.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 1/5/25 at 11:45 am to John Barron
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He should of done it sooner. He was Naive and actually thought the West was negotiating in good faith when they were not.
Really?
My theory; he wasn’t ready for any further escalation in 2014, and in 2016 Trump was elected and not Clinton. This stopped him. Once Biden got in he renewed his efforts and we know the results now.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 12:03 pm to doubleb
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Really?
Yes. Did you not watch the clip I posted above? Putin also recently admitted he should of done it sooner.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 1/5/25 at 12:12 pm to John Barron
Gotcha.
Wd will never know how things would have gone if in 2014 he would have continued deeper into Ukraine.
We do know that after 8 years of prep and planning things went very bad for Russia. That was because Russia wasn’t re as lily ready, Ukraine was ready of both.
Wd will never know how things would have gone if in 2014 he would have continued deeper into Ukraine.
We do know that after 8 years of prep and planning things went very bad for Russia. That was because Russia wasn’t re as lily ready, Ukraine was ready of both.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 12:21 pm to AU86
quote:I fricking love you
NATO has proven to be a paper tiger whose failures are exhibited by the Ukrainian war. Weak European militaries are a joke and their production capacity is non existent. Without the US Putin could roll through Europe if he wanted to
Posted on 1/5/25 at 12:39 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 1/5/25 at 12:42 pm to WestCoastAg
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NATO has proven to be a paper tiger whose failures are exhibited by the Ukrainian war. Weak European militaries are a joke and their production capacity is non existent. Without the US Putin could roll through Europe if he wanted to
We've been over this about 7,084 times, here...
NATO was set up to have the US by far the most dominant member, calling the shots, and Europe's countries relatively weak, militarily, for a few very obvious and sensible reasons:
1) WWI & WWII... we didn't want these countries fighting with each other over territorial or security or resource concerns again, as they'd done for all of their histories... they now shared mutual security as partners, dependent on the alliance for defense.
2) The biggest purpose of the alliance was in our interests, in getting Europe to be "human shields" that the Soviet Union would have to go through before getting to the UK and any Atlantic coastal position to threaten the US and its coasts. We wrote their security plans in our interests.
3) We were bankrolling those countries and their recovery from WWII. We did not force them to accept being US territories; we "let" them "choose" to be in our orbit, and they considered that a bargain. Instead of focusing on military build-up, they got to reconstruct their economies and countries, and this was what we wanted because it cut the nuts off of the appeal of communism in those countries, strengthening their usefulness as resistance and shields against Soviet advancement.
France under de Gaulle balked at it and he wanted to be stronger, militarily, and not subservient to the US. I'm not sure how successful he was at that...
4) It stopped nuclear proliferation, which was a very good thing. The fewer nukes, the less chance that nukes ever get used.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 12:44 pm to Lee B
Russia couldn't even capture Kiev but they gonna cross the Rhine in 2 weeks if they really wanted to lmao
Posted on 1/5/25 at 12:57 pm to WestCoastAg
Here is the latest on the "counter offensive" in the Kursk region......
Ya gotta be kiddin me, 200 billion bucks and I get two tanks, and some pickup trucks? The publicity nonsense makes Goebbels blush.
By the way Russia is just pelting Kiev with drones, I guess they ripped off the money that was to go for air defense as well.
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Ukraine used two tanks, a dozen armored vehicles and a demolition unit in Sunday's assault, which was headed towards the village of Berdin – about 9 miles northeast of Sudzha, the Russian defense ministry said.
Ya gotta be kiddin me, 200 billion bucks and I get two tanks, and some pickup trucks? The publicity nonsense makes Goebbels blush.
By the way Russia is just pelting Kiev with drones, I guess they ripped off the money that was to go for air defense as well.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:04 pm to trinidadtiger
Economy of scale
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:14 pm to doubleb
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:21 pm to John Barron
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:34 pm to John Barron
Hey Barron, in all your hunts on Twitter for war info do you ever find one that shows Ukraine in a favorable light?
Curious as to why everything you post is pro Russian.
Curious as to why everything you post is pro Russian.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:40 pm to doubleb
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Curious as to why everything you post
I don't follow Accounts that post fantasy stories like the Ghost of Kyiv. There is enough of that stuff posted in this thread already
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:40 pm to doubleb
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Hey Barron, in all your hunts on Twitter for war info do you ever find one that shows Ukraine in a favorable light? Curious as to why everything you post is pro Russian.
Why does it matter?
Someone getting in their feelings over what’s posted here has zero effect on the war.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:42 pm to doubleb
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:49 pm to doubleb
Also I didn't know the below Information. Certainly interesting timing
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:00 pm to texag7
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Why does it matter?
Why did you respond? You aren’t Barron.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:10 pm to doubleb
He's posting paid russian bot tweets. Twitter/X and VPNs are banned in russia for the average citizen. However the FSB bots have access. That's it.
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