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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:01 pm to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:01 pm to
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Trump warned those bozoes about becoming dependent on Russia for energy


I believe Trump was wrong on that issue because German Industry is now collapsing without cheap Russian Gas. Who does that benefit the most? China..our biggest threat in the foreseeable future.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:08 pm to
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Trump warned those bozoes about becoming dependent on Russia for energy.



They believed that interdependence would constrain Putin's expansionist ambitions -- that, once Putin was getting all that money, he wouldn't risk losing it.

It was simply a case of failing to understand Russia and Putin.

German industry is now failing, but the main reason that energy is so expensive there now is that Germany turned off its nuclear plants last year in one of the most extreme acts of stupidity the world has recently seen.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:43 pm to
You beliefs are garbage.

Russia was playing Enron games with Europe regarding natural gas causing HUGE price spikes in 2021. As for oil, Europe had closed refineries to buy Russian refined products, instead it is buying from India and China likely for the same price if buying from Russia. Russia has been rectum raped on oil prices by China and India, with steep discounts to buy. First $50 per barrel goes for cost to produce and get to port. Exxon's EXCELLENT crude oil from Guyana perfect for Euro refineries has been making bank for Exxon (and Sinopec) at market prices.

The "crude oil" being exported from the USA is used for blending with heavy crude from places like Brazil in Europe. With the Chinese economy still in the shitter and lack of exports to there, "Oil" which is actually condensate, and LNG being exported is instead going to Europe.

So is Japan can still make money with 100% LNG imports why cannot Europe with some pipeline gas from Norway and LNG from nearby Norway, the USA, Qatar and Nigeria?

Let's face it you know zero about the subject as do your ignorant sources.

The German industry leaving started well before 2022, so the loss of natural gas from Russia is not the reason. The reason is that the chemical industry starts with petrochemicals and when hydraulic fracturing produced LOTS of natural gas WITH NGL's as feedstock for petrochemicals, European industry was screwed 100%. All of the world class manufacturing was built in TX and LA since 2010, with one plant in Nigeria. Even Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and India are heavily invested in the USA chemical process industries. We have the lost cost to produce in the WORLD.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:47 pm to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:49 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 1/4/25 at 9:50 pm to
Meh, the German business model for a few decades is have German banks loan money to PIGS and require that most be spent on German goods and services. That is why Deutsch Bank was hit so hard in 2008 banking crisis.

I buy what investment bankers invest in based on "what's trending" which is what they actually do. I've dealt with them in the past for projects. What's trending is more important to them than ROI which is all but guaranteed with contracts. I don't blame them, they can hit on something that is going to take off even if they lose money a large percentage they make it up and then some in the end.

Sometimes they will bet on a project meant to lose because they are merely funneling money from a Middle Eastern sheik or some such like one project in Lake Charles. GTL to high dollar wax. They spent over $300 million for what should have taken only $75 million to complete a project. It's a damned shame they phucked it all up. However, a contractor owned by an investment banker made a pile of money for people to sit around all day and not do any work.

This post was edited on 1/4/25 at 9:59 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:29 am to
Ukraine launches new offensive in Russia's Kursk Oblast, mixed reports surface on outcome

by Kateryna Denisova January 5, 2025 1:33 PM

Ukrainian troops attacked Russian forces in several directions in Kursk Oblast, Andrii Kovalenko, head of Ukraine's counter-disinformation center, claimed on Jan. 5.

Reports by Russian pro-war Telegram channels have echoed the statement, saying that a new Kyiv offensive is underway. According to the Russian Defense Ministry, Russian troops repelled two offensives conducted by Ukrainian assault groups in Kursk Oblast on Jan. 5.

The Kyiv Independent couldn't independently verify these claims at the time of publication.

The reports come as Moscow has been ramping up its efforts to push Ukraine out of the embattled Kursk Oblast as Kyiv continues to hold on to a small piece of Russian territory in the hopes of gaining leverage in possible future negotiations.

Roman Alyokhin, a Russian pro-war blogger and a former advisor to Kursk Oblast's governor, claimed that Kyiv launched an attack northeast of Sudzha toward the village of Bolshoye Soldatskoye, using armored vehicles and demining equipment.

According to him, the Ukrainian army also "intensified its actions" in other areas of Kursk Oblast.

Kovalenko said that Ukrainian troops attacked Russian forces in several directions in Kursk Oblast, which "came as a surprise to them."

"Kursk Oblast, good news! Russia is getting what it deserves," Andrii Yermak, head of the President's Office, wrote on Telegram.

The Ukrainian military has not publicly reported any new operations in Kursk Oblast.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:57 am to
The Ukrainian offensive appears to have some early success at Berdin.

It will be interesting to see the scope and success of this offensive. As with the previous offensive, I imagine that the primary goals are political.

If Ukraine can successfully capture more territory in the Kursk region, it would be a signal to President Trump that Ukraine is not necessarily "losing," and as such is worthy of renewed military support.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:22 am to
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The fact is NATO has proven to be a great defensive alliance that nations beg to get in, and when they do Putin knows he can’t take them over.



NATO has proven to be a paper tiger whose failures are exhibited by the Ukrainian war. Weak European militaries are a joke and their production capacity is non existent. Without the US Putin could roll through Europe if he wanted to. Thank God for Poland who is actually doing something to remedy past issues. The other ones are a joke, except maybe Finland.

The US military is over stretched and its production capacity is.overwhelmed by having as always to lift the burden.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:30 am to
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German industry is now failing, but the main reason that energy is so expensive there now is that Germany turned off its nuclear plants last year in one of the most extreme acts of stupidity the world has recently seen.


100%. They shut down coal plants also.

These are the results of electing globalist leftist nuts. They are paying the price for Merkel, Scholz and those nutty Greens. The Green Party is like a watermelon, green on the outside but RED on the inside.

This climate change hoax has always been a road to socialism. It is a scam.

These type radical nuts that Leon and other radical leftists in this thread support would destroy the US economy just as it has happened in Germany. Biden and the Cackling Idiot were well on the way.

These Globalist Socialist governments in Europe and Canada are dying. The quicker the better. The radicals that pursued these policies have weakened the west and should be prosecuted.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 8:58 am
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:45 am to
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Thankfully Ukraine is not getting in NATO so no worries.



I am 100% convinced that if this NATO membership had not been floated/proposed there would have been no invasion. Georgia and Ukraine have always been Russia's red line and they said so repeatedly. The west didn't believe them.

It started in 2008 with Ukraine and Georgia and look at the tactic that he used to stop Georgia's NATO membership. He did the same in Ukraine and now Putin has won twice. Look at Georgia today and their pro- Russian government. That will be Ukraine in 10 years or less.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 9:14 am to
“NATO is a paper tiger”

“Russia invaded Ukraine because of NATO”

ok
Posted by AU86
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 9:18 am to
Glad you agree.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 9:42 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 9:45 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:01 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:02 am to
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NATO has proven to be a paper tiger whose failures are exhibited by the Ukrainian war. Weak European militaries are a joke and their production capacity is non existent. Without the US Putin could roll through Europe if he wanted to. Thank God for Poland who is actually doing something to remedy past issues. The other ones are a joke, except maybe Finland.


You guys need to get your story straight. Is it not true that most of the Putin apologists tell us that NATO threatens Russia and that is why Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014 and ratcheted things up in 2022?

NATO isn’t as strong as it should be. That is true, but nations are responding to Russia by increasing their defense spending.

And still nations ran to get n NATO. Look at all the old Warsaw Pact nations who asked for membership. It didn’t require NATO troops and tanks rolling down the streets of Budapest, Prague or Warsaw to get those countries in.

More recently we saw Sweden and Finland ask for and then receive membership. Why? Because they all know the benefits of NATO as protection. It’s the greatest defensive alliance the world has ever seen.

Anyone with half a brain knows why Ukraine wants in, and the reason Putin doesn’t want them in. If they became aNATO member Russia would not be able to conquer Ukraine.



Posted by texag7
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Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:08 am to
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Anyone with half a brain knows why Ukraine wants in, and the reason Putin doesn’t want them in. If they became aNATO member Russia would not be able to conquer Ukraine.


What “part” of Ukraine would get in. Because a good bit of it is now Russia.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:40 am to
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What “part” of Ukraine would get in. Because a good bit of it is now Russia.


Pre war all of Ukraine would have gotten in if the NATO members wanted Ukraine in. They didn’t and Ukraine couldn’t get in and Rusdia invaded.

Ukraine isn’t getting in NATO now or any time soon in my estimation. I don’t believe they were ever close, but that’s just my opinion.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 11:04 am to
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Anyone with half a brain knows why Ukraine wants in, and the reason Putin doesn’t want them in. If they became aNATO member Russia would not be able to conquer Ukraine.


Putin didn't really want to conquer Ukraine. What he wanted was for Ukraine to remain part of the Russky Mir (Russian World). That is, he wanted a Ukraine that he could control and manipulate, like Belarus.

The malign Russian influence is the major cause of Ukraine's history of corruption problems. When people in Ukraine and Georgia wanted NATO membership, what they really wanted was freedom from the oppression of Russian corruption, a Russian "Deep State" if you will.
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