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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:05 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:05 am to
I have not seen anyone comment on the New York Times article that said Ukraine is running out of soldiers.

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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:05 am to
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The outcome was known?


Exactly. We even told you what would happen.

You called us "Putin stooges" because you were far less knowledgeable than we were.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:21 am to
Putin always had a decided advantage in equipment and manpower. Russia has out produced the west during this disaster. They took it seriously, the west never mobilized.

Plus he was up against weak western leaders such as Biden, Scholz, Macron, whatever retard the UK had at the time. All losers.

Not.saying you are one, but there are some actual Putin worshipers/lovers/stooges on the PB. Just as there are some Ukraine neocons and leftists in this thread that have joined forces: Trotskyites.

The neocons are orgasmic over any war, as long as they are not the ones having to fight and die in it. The leftists have given up on their mission of spreading a world communist revolution and now are committed to spreading George Soro's version of western democracy.
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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:24 am to
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Plus he was up against weak western leaders such as Biden, Scholz, Macron, whatever retard the UK had at the time. All losers.


Yes, with the advantages Russia has, without sending manpower Ukraine is fricked.

This is simply common sense, everyone should have seen it coming.
Posted by AU86
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:29 am to
I agree. The manpower advantage made it into simple math. Russia would have to have been knocked out early. But Putin was never going to quit after he started. His life depended on it.

I hate this for the average Ukrainian. They have been used.
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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:31 am to
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Russia would have to have been knocked out early


Exactly. Its devolved into a WWI type war of attrition.


I just see no point in it continuing, as the only thing that will change is the body counts.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:53 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 8:58 am to
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I hate this for the average Ukrainian. They have been used.


You are now just figuring this out? This was the case from the beginning. As soon as you saw Blackrock and JP Morgan visiting Ukraine that was confirmation. Sell the Ukrainian people down the river and privatize their national assets
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 9:14 am to
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Exactly. We even told you what would happen. You called us "Putin stooges" because you were far less knowledgeable than we were.


I don’t remember anyone predicting the successful Ukrainian counter offense in Kherson of Kharkiv. I don’t remember anyone saying the Russian navy would have to retreat into safe harbor. I don’t remember the prediction of Ukraine invading Russia successfully.

I do remember months and months ago predictions of Russian offenses rolling West. The war was over when Bakmuth fell. Remember? I remember hearing thatUkraine would freeze to death. Then it was Western Europe freezing to death.

It had been almost three years and Russia is still caught up in a slugfest in the trenches. Things don’t look great for Ukraine, but they haven’t looked great ever since Putin decided to attack in force way back when. And at that time you stooges said the war was almost over then.
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Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 9:18 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 9:24 am to
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It had been almost three years and Russia is still caught up in a slugfest in the trenches.


Exactly. A WWI type battle of attrition.

Its not getting better without Western troops on the ground. Is that what yall want?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 9:52 am to
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Exactly. A WWI type battle of attrition.

Its not getting better without Western troops on the ground. Is that what yall want?


Germany lost WWI due economy collapsed.
Both France and England would have folded after the first year but for US banks funding them.

Russia has a lot of cannon fodder but is not supported with equipment, fuel and money from the US as it was in WWII.

India is going back to Saudi crude from heavily discounted Russian crude.
Russia's cash cow, Gazprom is BROKE.

Russia is running out of armor from its stockpiles to refurbish and replenish its front. The main issue is barrels for artillery and tanks to replace worn out barrels at the front.

I'm not saying that Russia doesn't win but I am saying that Russia is fricked as an economy for years to come. Putin did that. That last thing Putin needs is for his soldiers to return home.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 10:32 am to
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 10:39 am to
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Blackrock and JP Morgan visiting Ukraine that was confirmation. Sell the Ukrainian people down the river


Explain this using actual information and details. Explain it in a way that would convince anyone here that you have any idea what you're talking about
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 10:54 am to
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India is going back to Saudi crude from heavily discounted Russian crude.


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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 10:59 am to
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I'm not saying that Russia doesn't win but I am saying that Russia is fricked as an economy for years to come.


Which will make them more desperate.

The best solution for everyone is a negotiated settlement now.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 11:00 am to
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Explain this using actual information and details. 



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Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 11:40 am to
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Russia is paying an extreme price for territory they gave away 35 or 40 years ago.


No matter what, it's a steep price that Russia will be paying for a very long time.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:02 pm to
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I have not seen anyone comment on the New York Times article that said Ukraine is running out of soldiers.



There seems to be this idea that Russia has an unlimited number of soldiers, instead of the reckoning that Russia is now out of prisoners, the enlistment bonuses paid have skyrocketed beyond anything remotely resembling sustainability, and this is what Russia is getting -- it's really a funny video:

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Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/14/24 at 12:07 pm to
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I am never getting my hopes up about the future of any Middle Eastern country, however with this withdrawal and the lack of reported attacks on Syrian minorities, the news so far is all good.


I feel the same. I can’t fathom a scenario where the cycle of violence and retribution is broken in Syria, it only takes one violent group to restart it, but the transition to a new government at least thus far does not appear hell bent on score settling.

Perhaps Syrians remaining are truly tired of bloodshed for the moment.
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