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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:06 am to Auburn1968
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:06 am to Auburn1968
Ukraine's Security Service assassinates Russian Black Sea Fleet captain in Sevastopol – photo, video
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Wednesday, 13 November 2024, 12:14
Valery Trankovsky, Chief of Staff of a missile ships brigade of the Russian Black Sea Fleet was killed in temporarily occupied Sevastopol on 13 November.
Source: Ukrainska Pravda's source in Security Service of Ukraine (SSU)
Details: The source reported that the explosion of the car of the chief of staff of the 41st Brigade of Missile Ships and Boats of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Valery Trankovsky, was a successful special operation of the SSU.
The Russian captain's legs were torn off by the explosion, and he died of blood loss. Russian media reports that Trankovsky had been followed for about a week, and that the self-made explosive device was activated remotely.
Quote: "Trankovsky is a war criminal who gave orders to launch cruise missiles from the Black Sea on civilian targets in Ukraine. In particular, he attacked Vinnytsia with Kalibr missiles in July 2022. Twenty-nine civilians were killed as a result of that attack. Also, the bastard repeatedly attacked Odesa and other peaceful cities, killing many civilians. He was an absolutely legitimate target in terms of the laws and customs of war."
Ukrainska Pravda
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Wednesday, 13 November 2024, 12:14
Valery Trankovsky, Chief of Staff of a missile ships brigade of the Russian Black Sea Fleet was killed in temporarily occupied Sevastopol on 13 November.
Source: Ukrainska Pravda's source in Security Service of Ukraine (SSU)
Details: The source reported that the explosion of the car of the chief of staff of the 41st Brigade of Missile Ships and Boats of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Valery Trankovsky, was a successful special operation of the SSU.
The Russian captain's legs were torn off by the explosion, and he died of blood loss. Russian media reports that Trankovsky had been followed for about a week, and that the self-made explosive device was activated remotely.
Quote: "Trankovsky is a war criminal who gave orders to launch cruise missiles from the Black Sea on civilian targets in Ukraine. In particular, he attacked Vinnytsia with Kalibr missiles in July 2022. Twenty-nine civilians were killed as a result of that attack. Also, the bastard repeatedly attacked Odesa and other peaceful cities, killing many civilians. He was an absolutely legitimate target in terms of the laws and customs of war."
Ukrainska Pravda
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Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:11 am to CitizenK
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It doesn't matter. War ceases and Russia's economy completely collapses. Drill baby drill and Russia's economy collapses. Trump's entire agenda threatens Russia and Putin in a very personal way
"The war is ruining Russia's economy"
"If the war stops Russia's economy is screwed"
Or, maybe, Russia has had an inherently flawed economy for a while now and they will have problems no matter what happens
I think one of the big flaws in the thinking of some here is that they believe a country will just continue doing what they are doing now even if conditions change. For months it was "they can't afford this war" and now its "they can't afford to stop".
Russia will have economic challenges no matter which road they go down, but I think its pretty clear to most that they have done a decent job pivoting to a war economy when you consider all the sanctions and how shitty their manufacturing tends to be.
They also are the ones with their foot on the brake. Of course both sides have to agree to whatever peace (or some version of it) eventually looks like, but Russia is ultimately the party who "says when" in this standoff. I do think Trump will attempt to swing that back in Ukraine's direction at least somewhat, but we will see if that is successful or not.
Having your foot on the brake also allows for better planning of what your post-war economy looks like. I don't think they are going to come out of this a shining beacon of economic prosperity, but I think you likely see a rough economy for a number of years and not some societal collapse level economic disaster.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 7:14 am
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:13 am to cypher
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
13 November 2024
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
On 25 October 2024, the Central Bank of Russia (CBR) raised its base interest rate to 21 per cent. This is the highest rate since the start of the Ukraine conflict and reflects the CBR's concerns about growing inflationary pressures in the Russian economy. CBR governor Elvira Nabiullina said that 'more drastic changes' to monetary policy might be required to get inflation under control. However, there is growing criticism of the CBR's decision to keep interest rates high from key business executives across multiple Russian industries.
High interest rates in the Russian economy are highly likely to restrict business investment and growth. Since the beginning of the war in 2022, the volume of corporate loans and the proportion of them tied to the CBR's base rate have increased. As a result, higher interest rates are leading to increasing costs of debt. These costs are highly likely exacerbating financial pressures on businesses, with corporate bankruptcies in Russia reportedly 20 per cent higher in 2024 than they were in 2023
Inflationary pressures will highly likely continue to intensify in 2025 as government spending is forecast to increase, and labour shortages and pressure from sanctions persist. This will lead to increasing trade-offs between efforts to control inflation and supporting growth of the Russian economy.
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
13 November 2024
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
On 25 October 2024, the Central Bank of Russia (CBR) raised its base interest rate to 21 per cent. This is the highest rate since the start of the Ukraine conflict and reflects the CBR's concerns about growing inflationary pressures in the Russian economy. CBR governor Elvira Nabiullina said that 'more drastic changes' to monetary policy might be required to get inflation under control. However, there is growing criticism of the CBR's decision to keep interest rates high from key business executives across multiple Russian industries.
High interest rates in the Russian economy are highly likely to restrict business investment and growth. Since the beginning of the war in 2022, the volume of corporate loans and the proportion of them tied to the CBR's base rate have increased. As a result, higher interest rates are leading to increasing costs of debt. These costs are highly likely exacerbating financial pressures on businesses, with corporate bankruptcies in Russia reportedly 20 per cent higher in 2024 than they were in 2023
Inflationary pressures will highly likely continue to intensify in 2025 as government spending is forecast to increase, and labour shortages and pressure from sanctions persist. This will lead to increasing trade-offs between efforts to control inflation and supporting growth of the Russian economy.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:21 am to NC_Tigah
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am emailing my sauce(s) in Russia to confirm if this article is true.Looks to be accurate
My sauce(s) in Russia have confirmed that the price of potatoes has increased. Vodka prices have doubled in the past year. The Russian people are handling it well like the good little mindless minions their history has trained them to be. If alcohol prices doubled in one year here in the USA we would be rioting in the streets.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:27 am to Auburn1968
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Germany screwed themselves trying to be green.
Yes and these two damn idiots that we had over the last four years were trying to take us down that same path.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:52 am to WeeWee
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The Russian people are handling it well like the good little mindless minions their history has trained them to be.
I remember about a month ago when I was told no one made comments like this in here
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:01 am to VolSquatch
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I remember about a month ago when I was told no one made comments like this in here
So you believe it’s not true, or are you agreeing with him. Or are you just dancing around to get attention again?
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:17 am to StormyMcMan
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Ukrainian military officials warned that Russian forces may intensify assaults in Zaporizhia Oblast in the near future.
People on X are saying that this started overnight.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:26 am to VolSquatch
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The Russian people are handling it well like the good little mindless minions their history has trained them to be.
I remember about a month ago when I was told no one made comments like this in here
Well its true. The Russian people have been subjugated for the past 1200 years or so. First by the Czars, then the Soviets, and now Putin. They have been trained to grumble at home but do nothing to change their situation. Inflation in the USA is a fraction of what it is Russia and as soon as got the chance we threw out Biden-Harris and the democrats who caused it.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:00 am to No Colors
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1) Russia needs Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, and the Baltic states as client states (USSR footprint) in order to have natural defensible borders. Russia as it sits now has too long of a border with no natural defensive features against Europe.
I've been saying this, and I just didn't think it up... I've pointed to the people who've been pointing it out since before the invasion, decades before... and still some mock the very idea...
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2) Now that Russia has moved to a wartime economy, it can't stop. It's civilian industry is now screwed. And it can't compete on the international stage. And it doesn't make much to begin with. And it doesn't have many customers. So it's life is now war. If it stops waging war, it will collapse. And Putin goes down in a coup.
Yep... they're screwed
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3) China gave its blessing to this adventure as a test to see how the west would respond. Its a dry run for Taiwan in a few years. So Russia has to exhaust the west militarily and politically. So that they don't have the stomach to back Taiwan in a fight with China.
It's all one war... what about South Korea if the West is pre-occupied with War in Europe? Japan is certainly gearing up to have to deal with an aggressive China
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:09 am to BugAC
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I'm not sure depleting your country of it's war fighting population is a win in anyone's book. Except for maybe Zelensky.
Ukraine has avoided conscripting men under 27 (I believe that's the age) who have not fathered children, yet... that is why they are conscripting 50 year old men (Russia has been having to do that all along)...
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 10:10 am
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:18 am to GOP_Tiger
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I find difficult to completely agree with his other points, but this point is 100% true.
Number 1 is completely true... the people on those nightly talk shows mention it constantly... it is an easy drive across the wide,.flat Eastern European plain straight to Moscow... no geographical defenses... the Tsars and Stalin had an inexhaustible number of peasants to throw in the way, but Putin is quickly running out of those due to geographical collapse. They feel like if they don't achieve this, now, in short time the West will just march in and overwhelm them. Now, nobody wants to do that... but Russians think of how they'd treat other countries. They project their thinking onto "NATO" and the West.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 10:20 am
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:29 am to WeeWee
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Ukraine's manpower problems are the result of a conscription system left over from the Soviet Union and a stupid law that does not let them conscript anyone under the age of 25.
there's other things... the slow delivery of arms from the West, and the hold up for 6 months, demoralized troops and potential conscripts, because it gave the Russians a big chance to make some gains... also, Ukraine's military is still being run by people who are old enough to have been trained by people who were trained the Soviets, and it's managed poorly in a lot of ways and areas. People with needed skills, experience and specialties are just stamped "infantry" and sent to the front, for example.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:34 am to lsu777
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but at some point, shite has to end or europe can completely fund it.
I believe if Trump just cuts the cord on Ukraine, things escalate even further and there will be full on War in Eastern Europe... and I think, without the US serving as the leader of the coalition and of NATO, and restaining Poland and others, the Russians will get their asses kicked decisively, pretty immediately, by the NATO-trained and equipped armies of Poland+the Baltic states+Romania, possibly Bulgaria...
and then, the nukes probably fly from Russia... and most of their nukes are aimed at the US. Not that I'm certain they will all work, or all get through our missile defenses, but losing Atlanta or Minneapolis or St. Louis would not be good...
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 11:58 am
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:39 am to NC_Tigah
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You'd prefer the same outcome I would ... Ukraine goes back to it's 2012 borders and democracy. The difference is, I know that outcome will never occur. The die was cast. The preferred outcome, a return of Crimea and the eastern territories, will not happen. Forever war is the only alternative as long as that "preferred outcome" is a goal. If your claim is that folks here promoting such goal don't understand the painfully obvious ramifications, it's almost worse than outright rooting for forever war.
Russia will only accept one outcome: No Ukraine... and after Ukraine, no Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Eastern Poland, Moldova. Romania...
And no, none of that is probably possible... but Ukraine isn't possible for them, either, but they're desperately trying.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 11:00 am to No Colors
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If Trump and the Saudis bump fists and push oil prices to $60, we can both keep pumping and keep our economies humming at those prices.
But Iran and Russia have to sell at a $20 discount. It will absolutely gut them. Not to mention their buddies in Venezuela. And it brings down inflation.
Win win win.
We cannot truly trust Saudi Arabia... they are not a Democracy, and no autocracy wants to find itself alone in that form of government... but they're motivated by being pissed at losing market share and customers at the moment, so they'll do this...
On the other hand, those will send even more Venezuelans to our southern borders begging for asylum.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 11:06 am to Lee B
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Russia will only accept one outcome: No Ukraine... and after Ukraine, no Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Eastern Poland, Moldova. Romania...
Posted on 11/13/24 at 11:06 am to doubleb
Are you also illiterate?
Posted on 11/13/24 at 11:11 am to WeeWee
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First by the Czars, then the Soviets, and now Putin. They have been trained to grumble at home but do nothing to change their situation.
Its really weird that you say that, since two of the three examples you gave were overthrown or toppled, and the last one is in danger of a similar fate
Most countries have similar timelines over their histories in terms of being controlled. Britain still has an (albeit now toothless) version of their monarchy
I think Russians definitely do have their own traits and quirks, but this just seems like a dumb, emotional point from you because you don't like Russia. Two of the only countries who have really shown to have a populace with a FAFO mentality throughout their existence when it comes to opposing government overreach are France and the US.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 11:12 am
Posted on 11/13/24 at 11:13 am to Lee B
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Russia will only accept one outcome: No Ukraine... and after Ukraine, no Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Eastern Poland, Moldova. Romania...
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