re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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Russians have invaded this thread, we need a no fly zone. lol

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Posters should have to pick between the poli board and OT. Eliminate cross contamination.

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Sounds like a job for Europeans. This has the biggest direct impact on them, yet once again we’re spending the most on it. If we hadn’t sold ourselves out to such a high degree this would matter even less for us.

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Europe and particularly W Europe are the biggest consumers of our tech, goods and services outside of the US. Every major American corporation will have significant presence there. So the US will feel a strong impact if there’s war in Europe.

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Europe and particularly W Europe are the biggest consumers of our tech, goods and services outside of the US. Every major American corporation will have significant presence there. So the US will feel a strong impact if there’s war in Europe.

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And they fall under the NATO umbrella that we basically unilaterally hold over them. If there’s a European security issue, they should do the heavy lifting to prevent its spillover to the west. The Russians are well aware of NATO and what it means to attack a NATO nation, which is all of Western Europe and into Eastern Europe and the Baltic’s.

Heavy lifting to me is troops and warfare which is on them for sure. I’m referring to funding Ukraine to keep up the fight so it never gets to the NATO countries. I think that’s ok

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Heavy lifting to me is troops and warfare which is on them for sure. I’m referring to funding Ukraine to keep up the fight so it never gets to the NATO countries. I think that’s ok

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And when our ridiculous spending, this included, destroys our own economy it will be an even bigger problem than reduction in EU demand. As others have mentioned, this would also be part of why we should have been doing a better job of helping develop Latin and South America.

Ukraine's sovereignty is most definitely not inconsequential to America. A stable Europe greatly benefits us and everyone else in the world. We should be supplying Ukraine with equipment and money.

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SIAP - US Senior Defense Official Holds a Background Briefing, Mar 4, 2022

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These idiots are gonna get us into a full scale war with Russia if they're not careful, especially sharing info like this to the public:

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On -- on the intelligence thing, we -- we -- we have and we continue to provide intelligence and information to the Ukrainians to assist in their ability to defend themselves. I won't get any more specific than that because we just don't think that -- that it's wise to get any more specific than that. But we do continue to provide them intelligence and information that we believe can be helpful for their ability to defend themselves.

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In terms of the foundation, of course the security assistance we're providing right now comes on the heels of assistance we've been providing since 2014, more than $3 billion committed to date. But more than a billion of that was just in the past year. So this has been a massive uptick in volume over the past year, providing security assistance to Ukraine, as we saw the threats from Russia increasing.

In terms of the -- the foundation also, I think it's important to note that this has been a significant U.S. effort, to collaborate on security assistance and to work together with the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense to identify what their priority capability needs are.

...we've been working with the Ukrainians for years now to understand what their military needs in the event of defending Ukraine against a Russian invasion.



In terms of some of the -- the specific details on the packages, just to remind, we had a $60 million drawdown package back in August. And to give you a sense of timelines for that package, by November we had actually transferred all of the equipment for that package.

And then we -- we had another presidential drawdown package that -- that President Biden approved in late December. That was a $200 million drawdown package. And from late December until late January -- by the end of January, we had delivered the majority of the package. We are still delivering some ammunition from that package

Well, today we are working on the $350 million drawdown package, the largest presidential drawdown package in history. And we have already delivered to the Ukrainians $240 million worth of that package, including some of the most needed capabilities, like anti-armor capabilities. So you can see how fast we are -- we are moving to get those -- those capabilities to the field.

...it also includes the Defense Department doing a careful analysis of what capabilities we should specifically include in the package, what capabilities we have available, because draw down is taken from the stocks of the services. So we're not going out on the market and purchasing new items, so we have to actually have it in hand to be able to deliver it.

...we have been able to compress those back end processes into hours and days, in fact. So that is how we have been able to -- to move so quickly.

When we talk about us fielding capability to the Ukrainians and the sizable -- sizable amount of assistance that we've delivered just since February 26th, I think it's also important again to go back to what the allies and partners are doing, because we have been tremendously impressed by how fast they have been moving.

Since the invasion, we have seen 14 countries -- 14 separate countries actually deliver security assistance to Ukraine. And since some of these countries don't have a record of providing as substantial assistance to Ukraine as certainly we have been, that also represents a real bureaucratic feat for their ministries of defense to be able to move that quickly. So I think we have to -- we have to give credit to -- to our -- our allies and partners here.

We are always, always looking at what Ukraine needs and we've been doing this for years now.

We have just accelerated our process of identifying requirements and accelerated our -- our consultations, as well, with the Ukrainians. I'm talking to them daily as opposed to, you know, periodic meetings that we did before this crisis.

But we're not stopping here. As you may be aware, the administration has -- has made a request for additional funding. So we do plan on continuing to provide presidential draw down assistance to the Ukrainians and we are seeking the assistance from the U.S. Congress to replenish the stocks that we have been providing to date from the -- the military departments. So this will continue, and as President Biden has -- has stated, we will continue to support the Ukrainians moving forward.

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I don't blame them for sending aid to the Ukrainians, but putting stuff like this out there will just serve to piss off Putin even further. We're basically admitting to the Russians that we're supplying the Ukrainian forces with everything they're using to kill and repel the Russian advances.

It was a known "thing" before that we were sending aid, but we have DOD officials basically admitting publicly that we're fighting this war by proxy through Ukraine. And not only that, we're turning on the taps and rushing more and more military equipment by the day. The US is good enough at covert ops that we could still be doing this while keeping it somewhat of a mystery.

I agree with the aid but I think it puts us in a very perilous position openly talking about it and giving all this detail, almost like gloating about it. Especially when you consider that Putin is losing support at home and may be on his way out, getting increasingly desperate. He had his state department send out a warning to those supplying Ukraine with materiel that it will not end well for them if they keep it up.

The Russians are running low on funding and Putin is scrambling, while we have State department officials talking publicly about financing Ukraine's fight. It's just a very dangerous gamble we're taking here with Putin on the other side, he is not well and getting increasingly desperate and dangerous with his rhetoric.

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And the Moscow apartment bombings.

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I think THIS is what I had in mind went I made that comment about false flag operations. I can’t remember the specifics of it, but I’m pretty sure I listened to a podcast a long time ago about it.


ETA: I was able to find the podcast, and it was from an episode of this American life, strange. I remember it being a really interesting episode, but that’s about all I remember about it. Will likely listen to it again this evening.

Here’s a link to the episode for those interested.

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Back in 1999 there was a series of bombings of apartment buildings in Moscow and across Russia. 300 people died. It happened just as Vladimir Putin was coming to power. And there was a question whether Putin or other people in the Kremlin might have been involved. Producer Robyn Semien talked to reporters who covered the bombings and reviewed the evidence.

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David Satter?