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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/23/24 at 7:07 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 7:07 am to
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Sometimes, it's useless to keep arguing with fundamentally dishonest people.
Indeed. But one can always hope for a breakthrough. So I'll keep trying. Then again, perhaps in the spirit of "honesty" here, blue and gold flags will be flying over the Kremlin by Christmas and all will live happily ever after.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 7:58 am to
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I have an MBA


Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:00 am to
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Sometimes, it's useless to keep arguing with fundamentally dishonest people.



A fundamental fact, but I can't seem to learn the lesson.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:10 am to
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laundered money on


At least some money absolutely has been stolen, laundered, "misused", or whatever you want to call it in Ukraine, as evidence by the BBC(?) story where they interviewed a Ukrainian solder who said they had been given money for defenses but the defenses were never purchased. Where did that go? Who knows. Just for clarity in that particular case its not technically 'laundering', its just stealing. Since we have some posters who want to muddy the waters and try to discredit people because they are imprecisely using a term 95% of the population can't accurately describe anyway.

I just don't know how productive the conversation about it is. If you support Ukraine you're going to downplay it, if you don't support continuing aid you're going to play it up like they are stealing half of everything we've sent. The truth is somewhere in the middle, and likely on the lower end of the dollar amount spectrum TBQH (which can still be a large sum of money in a practical sense).

The productive debates about this are on geopolitical stability long term, Russia's long term strength and what that means for the world, and the short term risk of a broader conflict popping up. There's plenty of time after the war to find out who was stealing how much, if any.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:24 am to
My tax dollars get “laundered” right here in EBR.
Anybody that sees how local government functions with NGOs and friends of politicians knows this.
Then there’s all the “studies” and all the big contracts given out to consultants. All the special projects handed out.
Government can not function on an honest basis anymore.
I would br surprised if Ukraine is any better.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 9:27 am
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:25 am to
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Sometimes, it's useless to keep arguing with fundamentally dishonest people.


I agree Bill. That is why I have just about given up on this leftist thread. It is a disgrace and a Ukraine border first, to hell with the American borders circle jerk.

You idiots should educate yourselves.

Posted by AU86
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:30 am to
But Lying Leon Trotsky told us this guy was a Trump supporter/Republican.

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This should tell you what the DOJ is. They released a bounty/call to action letter supposedly from your fellow Ukraine Call of Duty warrior to the next leftist nut. Maybe I shouldn't have posted that in this thread. The FBI is nothing but the Stasi reincarnated.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 8:51 am
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:37 am to
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:12 am to
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Government can not function on an honest basis anymore.
I would br surprised if Ukraine is any better.


No different than in WWII. There were artillery shell plants which never produced a useful shell. At least one was in St. Louis.

A now deceased friend, in NOLA, had an uncle who got contracts to make steel bedframes for the military in WWII. He purposely made them and inch short so they were rejected. He sold them for more to the public than he would have to the military. It was the only way to get the metal to make them for sale to the public.

Family friend had a sand pit using hydrocyclones to separate sand by size on the south side of Silsbee, TX.. He sold sand to foundries in Lufkin and to one which made engine blocks in Beaumont under the radar for sale to the public, during WWII.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:19 am to
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My tax dollars get “laundered” right here in EBR.
Anybody that sees how local government functions with NGOs and friends I of politicians knows this.
Then there’s all the “studies” and all the big contracts given out to consultants. All the special projects handed out.
Government can not function on an honest basis anymore.


I've noticed since moving to FL that the broad public records laws do make a difference and should be the standard everywhere. You have to be mindful about what you put in writing even on things that aren't nefarious. Stuff obviously still happens, but it makes it a lot harder.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:20 am to
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But Lying Leon Trotsky told us this guy was a Trump supporter/Republican.



Did I, really? When and where?

He's a nut... he voted for Trump in 2016 and then turned on him... he wanted Biden and Harris to beat Trump, but he also is big on Tulsi and Vivek... nuts don't make sense.

He also is broke and doesn't have $150,000. Any more than he had all the money he promised people to go fight in Ukraine.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:23 am to
Also... I mean... that's like 1930s rates for political assassinations, right? Dude doesn't understand inflation.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:27 am to
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Since we have some posters who want to muddy the waters and try to discredit people because they are imprecisely using a term 95% of the population can't accurately describe anyway.
Well, by all means, let's clear that up.

Money laundering involves disguising financial assets so they can be used without detection of the illegal activity that produced them.

Aside from the obvious risks of direct cash dumped into a traditionally corrupt country, let's take the following hypothetical.
• A large weapons shipment is sent to Ukraine.
• Portions of it are immediately siphoned off and sold to Middle Eastern sources for cash.
• The "theft" potentially leaves the thieves exposed to investigation by the NABU (which is funded by Soros' Open Society Foundation).
• As protection against the exposure risk, a portion of the cash "proceeds" are transferred through intermediate interests to the Open Society Foundation.
• The OSF then instructs the NABU to look the other way and/or undercut alternate investigations into the corruption (as was done in undercutting Shokin's investigations).
• The OSF subsequently channels the "cleaned" "donated" money into leftist PACs who in turn work it into US political campaigns.
• US political beneficiaries then return the favor with more tax funded shipments through the same channels. Rinse and repeat.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 10:08 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:31 am to
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You idiots should educate yourselves.


I saw the clip about Benz's claims about the US companies taking over Russia. Benz was an internet attorney before working for Dept of State. There he worked on treaties for internet and communications.

He's 100% full of shiite about oil. Russia was in the dark ages, pre WWII. They didn't use BOP's for their drilling and didn't give a crap if there was a blowout. Their productivity was less than 1/5 of western drilling crews. Their pipelines leaked like sieves. Fatalities at the workplace were common, whether drilling a well or laying a pipeline. Workers MIGHT get paid in a month or several months later. General Vodka was beating them constantly.
Russian refineries used Western technology to modernize and expand. It was that or simple distillation then process sort of to spec with downstream units given to Russia in WWII by the US.

Before US technology, Russian refineries had only one market for the crude and vacuum unit, bottoms. Mazut heavy fuel oil to burn as boiler fuel, not value added products while squeezing more light ends out of the bottom of the barrel.

Benz is generally full of crap when he goes outside his level of expertise.

As far as Bill Browder, that dude had an entre to Russia because his family was part of Communist Party USA. This is no different than a former congressman, Bob "Filthy" Filner, who later had to resign as mayor of San Diego. His daddy had been Party Secratary of Communist Party USA, Pennsylvania.

Y'all getting duped once again by a believer of lies, if not a liar.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 9:34 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:38 am to
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But Lying Leon Trotsky told us this guy was a Trump supporter/Republican.


Lee was accurate. The dude is just a whack job. He did support Trump in 2016. He did support Biden in 2020. He did support Tulsi as well as wanted a Vivek/Haley ticket.

He did try to recruit non Taliban Afghani expats for Ukraine but Ukraine told him to basically "GET PHUCKED"

Whole truths are better than half truths. Half Truths are actually lies
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:27 am to
FWIW, Russia could have never developed the oil and gas offshore Sakhalin Island without technology from the West. Exxon's platform drilling rig was a repurposed rig from Alaska, overhauled in Morgan City, as where most of the equipment modules for the onshore processing plant. All the equipment is of US design and built right in the USA. The valves were built in South Korea.

Same goes for Sakhalin II, developed by Shell.

It was typical for Russian state or oligarch owned companies to muscle out Western companies. That happened to a now deceased friend who handled scrapping of half the Russian navy then was muscled out as well as money deposited in Russian banks. He was Belgian and once head of a Belgian steel mill. He lived in NOLA during the 1970s selling wire cable to booming offshore industry when NOLA was the center of the world for offshore deal making for services. Morgan City was the center of the world for fabrication of offshore production platforms. Vicksburg was the center of the world for the most advanced jack up drilling rigs made by Marathon LeTourneau which are mostly made in Singapore these days.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:30 am to
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He did support Trump in 2016.
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Whole truths are better than half truths.
In interest of the latter, there is not a scintilla of contemporary evidence that Routh voted for or supported Trump in 2016. Not a whiff. There is simply one claim he made, amidst TDS posts, that he was a past Trump voter.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:41 am to
“While you were my choice in 2106 [sic], I and the world hoped that president Trump would be different and better than the candidate, but we all were greatly disappointment and it seems you are getting worse and devolving,” Routh wrote in July 2020. “I will be glad when you gone.”
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138784 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:13 am to
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“While you were my choice in 2106 [sic], I and the world hoped that president Trump would be different and better than the candidate, but we all were greatly disappointment and it seems you are getting worse and devolving,” Routh wrote in July 2020. “I will be glad when you gone.”
Right. That was the reference. A single claim written in 2020 about supposedly voting for Trump in 2016 .... despite the fact Trump was a bad candidate a the time, according to Routh.

Obviously, it's your right to believe a prolific social media loon voted for someone whom he has never verbally supported, and for reasons he never remotely elucidated.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:18 am to
and with that standard of veracity... 99% of what's reported on this site is not valid.
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