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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/19/24 at 6:20 pm to
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 6:20 pm to
Dude he tried to build the wall for 4 fricking years.

The Democrats and Bush Republicans like you are who frustrated most all of those attempts.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 6:21 pm to
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I'm sure that you also believed that Trump was going to build the wall and make Mexico pay for it.

Some of you need to learn how to interpret Donald Trump.


There are a number of indirect ways to do this, mostly involving trade deals. A major one would be natural gas supplies, which had already been delayed on the Mexican side with build out of pipeline infrastructure. That build out is still lagging behind schedule. It is the cause for natural gas prices at the WAHA trading hub near Kermit, TX being negative quite often the last two years
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 6:32 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 6:53 pm to
quote:


Dude he tried to build the wall for 4 fricking years.

The Democrats and Bush Republicans like you are who frustrated most all of those attempts.


Oh, so he tried but failed. Did he only promise to try to build the wall, and it would get build if the Democrats let him?

You should interpret his promise to end the war in 24 hours the same way.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41306 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 7:18 pm to
quote:

Oh, so he tried but failed.


Are you mental?

He built a shite load of wall. And it will be resumed next year probably to your dismay
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 7:27 pm to
quote:


Are you mental?

He built a shite load of wall.


Oh, OK. My bad. I didn't realize that Trump actually did build the wall. Great! I'm glad that America got a permanent fix for its illegal immigration problem.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 7:31 pm to
quote:

Oh, OK. My bad. I didn't realize that Trump actually did build the wall. Great! I'm glad that America got a permanent fix for its illegal immigration problem.


You're just such a terrible and dishonest clown.

No wonder the likes of raving lunatic Lee B and crazy(nothing else required) commiserate with you so seamlessly.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41306 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 7:32 pm to
Spending money next year on the wall plus throwing illegals out of the country and not Ukraine will be amazing.

Thank you in advance for your tax dollars btw. We will be happy to use them!
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38160 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 7:36 pm to
quote:

He built a shite load of wall


Just not enough to keep out the illegals huh.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 7:47 pm to
quote:

I did and that's all he said. With the threat of Ukraine joining NATO, that makes ALL of NATO actually fighting Russia. Russia isn't beating Ukraine, how the phuck can Russia fight NATO? Poland alone could almost drive to Moscow with little opposition. Finland could easily take giant chunks of Russia if it wanted to with all the Russian defenders having been sent to Ukraine.

You are stuck on stupid.


While I'm all for Ukraine becoming a NATO member, everybody was screaming this would be a Nuclear Holocaust-level escalation 2 weeks ago...
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 8:10 pm to
quote:

Spending money next year on the wall plus throwing illegals out of the country and not Ukraine will be amazing.


lol
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 8:18 pm to
Well if we are throwing politics around, I seem to remember quite a few posters swearing all the aid to Ukraine would be over after Johnson got elected speaker. How did that turn out again?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 8:20 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reiterated the importance of developing an international consensus for pursuing peace negotiations to end the war in Ukraine.

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban appears to be augmenting several Russian information operations amid continued efforts to present himself as a possible future mediator between Russia and Ukraine.

New United Kingdom (UK) Defense Secretary John Healey stated on July 19 that Ukraine can use UK-provided weapons to strike military targets in Russia, despite previous reports that the UK had not permitted Ukraine to use UK-supplied Storm Shadow missiles to strike military targets within Russia.

The Kremlin is reportedly concerned about the long-term social and political implications of Russian veterans returning from the war in Ukraine.

The Russian government is reportedly considering stricter measures to directly censor critical voices on Russian social media.

Russian authorities continue to propose stricter migration legislation as Russia's ultranationalists continue to espouse xenophobic rhetoric and complain about the Russian government's perceived lenient migration policy.

Russian forces recently advanced near Savers, Toretsk, and Avdiivka.

Disorganization continues to plague Russian efforts to integrate personnel who served in Russian proxy forces in occupied Ukraine into the Russian military bureaucracy.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 8:27 pm to
quote:


You're just such a terrible and dishonest clown.


Unfortunately, a number of you seem unable to understand the point that I am making (or even what Trump is saying), so I will spell it out in simpler terms. I am not attacking Trump with these comments, so you can untwist your panties.

In 2016, when Trump "promised" to build the wall and make Mexico pay for it, that was obviously impractical from the start. Of course, Mexico wasn't going to pay for the wall, and any actual success in cutting down on illegal immigration would obviously depend on Mexican cooperation.

But Trump wasn't really making a literal promise. What he was doing was saying that illegal immigration was a problem that he would address as President. And that's what voters wanted him to do! "Making Mexico pay for it" was hyperbole, an exaggeration meant to illustrate a broader truth.

Commentators have stressed the need to view such statements by Trump "seriously but not literally". No one with a brain really expected that the wall would be built along the whole border and Mexico would pay for it.

Fast forward now to today, and consider Trump's promise to end the war in Ukraine in his first 24 hours. It's a similar kind of "promise", in that it's superficially absurd. Of course, he won't be able to end the war in 24 hours!

It is, again, an example of hyperbole. What Trump is saying is that Biden's so-called strategy in Ukraine is idiotic. Giving Ukraine just enough aid to stop Russia, but not allowing Ukraine to win is dumb. It's wasteful to send Ukraine tens of billions of dollars of equipment, and then to put ridiculous restrictions on the use of those weapons.

Trump is saying that Biden has mismanaged the war by attempting to drag it out until Russia exhausts itself. The American people generally share that view. Trump will have a very different policy, and it will lead to a much faster conclusion to the war.

What Trump is not doing is committing himself to any particular course of action, no matter what some people here pretend.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 8:27 pm to
Mr. FAFO himself

quote:

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban appears to be augmenting several Russian information operations amid continued efforts to present himself as a possible future mediator between Russia and Ukraine.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41306 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

Fast forward now to today, and consider Trump's promise to end the war in Ukraine in his first 24 hours. It's a similar kind of "promise", in that it's superficially absurd. Of course, he won't be able to end the war in 24 hours!



Who gives a shite if it’s 24 hours or 48 hours or 96 hours.

When you resort to focusing on the smallest details it shows you have nothing.

I’m just happy your tax dollars will go to the wall next year and not Ukraine.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 8:49 pm to
Well, one of the good things happening in Louisiana is that our tax dollars are going to be better spent in teaching kids how to read. Ever since the LEAP tests were created, there's been accountability for teachers at grade 3 and up, but 1st and 2nd grade teachers weren't held accountable, because there wasn't any testing of kids' reading abilities -- and those are the most important years for teaching kids to read!

Fortunately, that's changing next year in Louisiana, and the end result will be much better reading skills for the next generation in our state.

It's too bad that it's too late for some people here, and I unfortunately don't know if Texas is doing anything about the problem that they also have of students going all the way through school without learning to read with comprehension.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 9:23 pm to
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Unfortunately, a number of you seem unable to understand


There's nothing you could ever say, think, nor imagine I would not be able to understand.

I declined to read the remainder of your assuredly inane drivel.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 9:38 pm to
quote:


I declined to read the remainder of your assuredly inane drivel


I'm heartbroken.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 9:57 pm to
3rd grade level reading comprehension is where Industrial labor mostly fails in job applications, more than double the failure of drug screening is what has been cited to me from several sources.
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